RolStoppable said: sethnintendo said: RolStoppable said: Boo! I vote for Austria's independence. Sorry, you would have to make a WW1 thread which I also find interesting. That's not a bad idea at all. I would much prefer to talk about a war we actually won.

LMAO!

 

Not sure if serious...

Japan, Italy, and France still need their first vote! Hopefully, they will get some votes in a few weeks...

chris.m95 said: zuvuyeay said: Britain will do as a name,i never liked the great i like Albion myself which the greeks called us it should come to an end soon as the Scots should force through independance sometime,hopefully if i was in charge i'd have a referendum of two choices we all come together as one country called Albion capital London,same sports teams etc etc or we all go our separate ways for good i'm pretty sure no one would vote for Albion though apart from me pretty storng opinoin there (i agree not many people will vote for Albion)

yes,i'd prefer it that scotland and england split for good as i don't agree with them voting for snp at home but labour for westminster,i'd like to vote tory in the scottish parliament but i can't,it would also pretty much finish labour off as the scottish vote would disappear, just my opinions of course,we either completely unify or fully devolve,being english i don't like the status quo,hopefully salmon sticks to his word and takes the scot mp's out of westminster and back to holyrood as there are enough of them,i like the salmon fella,cameron hasn't got the balls

zuvuyeay said: chris.m95 said: zuvuyeay said: Britain will do as a name,i never liked the great i like Albion myself which the greeks called us it should come to an end soon as the Scots should force through independance sometime,hopefully if i was in charge i'd have a referendum of two choices we all come together as one country called Albion capital London,same sports teams etc etc or we all go our separate ways for good i'm pretty sure no one would vote for Albion though apart from me pretty storng opinoin there (i agree not many people will vote for Albion) yes,i'd prefer it that scotland and england split for good as i don't agree with them voting for snp at home but labour for westminster,i'd like to vote tory in the scottish parliament but i can't,it would also pretty much finish labour off as the scottish vote would disappear, just my opinions of course,we either completely unify or fully devolve,being english i don't like the status quo,hopefully salmon sticks to his word and takes the scot mp's out of westminster and back to holyrood as there are enough of them,i like the salmon fella,cameron hasn't got the balls

I am english too but ive nevre really thought about the matter i noticed the voting divide but havent developed my ideas any further

Serbian chetniks were the only fraction in the war that fought against communist yugoslav partisans and german nazis at the same time...also Yugoslavia gained the biggest military profit after war, rising as 4th strongest military power in Europe (after England, France and USSR)

Player1x3 said: Serbian chetniks were the only fraction in the war that fought against communist yugoslav partisans and german nazis at the same time...also Yugoslavia gained the biggest military profit after war, rising as 4th strongest military power in Europe (after England, France and USSR)

Another interesting group were the Russian Cossacks during WW2.  I did a little reading up on them and while most fought with Germany there were a few that remained loyal to Russia/Soviet Union (although it states they weren't really 100% Cossack units). 

http://www.cossackweb.narod.ru/cossacks/kazww2.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repatriation_of_Cossacks_after_World_War_II

Awesome thread idea! Finally something not about MW3/BF3 or religion.

I personally find Russia/Soviet Union the most interesting when it comes to WWII. They had some MASSIVE battles like Stalingrad and the Siege of Leningrad. I'm taking a course next semester devoted to the USSR in WWII so after that I'll have lots to talk about in this thread!

USSR took massive casualties, but also did the most damage to Germany. I think without the help of the USSR that Europe would be a lot more German right now.

Every side was interesting.

You had the US entering late and providing aid that saved both the Soviets and English through Lend Lease, as well as their destruction of the Japanese empire and nukes.

You had Germany and the marvels they made turning the war...STG-44 being one of my favorite, which changed the face of small arms for the next century.

You had the horrors of the Eastern front and the sacrifices of the Soviet people due to two madmen - Stalin and Hitler.

Finland's Winter War and War of Continultion were incredible. Simo Hayha may be the greatest soldier in history.

You had the Sino-Japanese war pitting former enemies in Mao and Chiang-Kai-Check against the Japanese onslaught.

And those are just starters. The war was horrible, but makes for unbelievable research. Many people could dedicate their lives to understanding the war, yet fail to grasp a fraction of the situation. Additionally, so much of the aftermath changed politics for ever afterwards.

Personally, though, the most interesting movements of the war were on the Eastern front - Operation Barbarossa, the Battle of Kursk and Stalingrad, as well as Operation Uranus. Soviet technology during the war was incredible, and a testament to what a desperate war economy can do.

sethnintendo said: Troll_Whisperer said: I didn't want to imply that the US didn't have a big impact, which it did, especially in the Pacific front. Just that so many movies and games make it seemed like it was US v everything. Of course, someone who's very informed of WWII as you is not going to have that image, I'm talking about people who's only source of information in this matter are movies, games, etc. To be perfectly honest I'm not a big expert in WWII (though I know how it played out in general terms and what role the parts played), and especially don't know much about the weapons used during the war, so I didn't know about the T-34, thanks for that. However, I have the feeling that, despite people making it seem like the US and USSR were equal powers during the cold war, the American economy and engineering was always much better (despite Russia having more nuclear weapons, launching to space first, etc), so you're probably right. I was actually trying to find an original weapon made by the Russians and I came up with the AK-47.  After looking at the Wiki page on the AK-47 it can be pulled from there that they really were just copying the assault rifle idea mainly from Germany with their StG44.  Since the Russians had plenty of experience towards the end of the war with Germany infantry being equipped with StG44 they obviously saw the value in the assault rifle.  Anyways, the AK-47 was and still is an amazing gun and has proven reliability.  I am sure there are plenty of original weapons ideas that the Russians have come up with but I just can't find any that are completely original.  However, it can be said that most weapons are just improvements based off of previous weapons.

Russia had a few other guns during the war that also were precurors to the AK-47.

The initial development of the AK-47 sprung from the SKS, which was developed and chambered in the 'intermediate' 7.62x39 cartridge which became the de-facto golden standard of firearm calibers for the next 50 years. The SKS was developed in parallel with the STG-44, so one could argue that neither were more innovative than the other. The SKS was more rifle-based while the STG-44 was more machine-pistol based (with its smaller x33 cartridge configuration).

The SKS is an amazing, AMAZING weapon. Not as proliferated as the AK by any measure, but my dad (ergo my brother and I) own 3 - two Chinese types and a Russian type. Fantastic weapons of war. A lot of poorer nations adopted the SKS if they couldn't afford/get their hands on an AK-47 like Vietnam did during their struggle for independence and their war against America.

mrstickball said: sethnintendo said: Troll_Whisperer said: I didn't want to imply that the US didn't have a big impact, which it did, especially in the Pacific front. Just that so many movies and games make it seemed like it was US v everything. Of course, someone who's very informed of WWII as you is not going to have that image, I'm talking about people who's only source of information in this matter are movies, games, etc. To be perfectly honest I'm not a big expert in WWII (though I know how it played out in general terms and what role the parts played), and especially don't know much about the weapons used during the war, so I didn't know about the T-34, thanks for that. However, I have the feeling that, despite people making it seem like the US and USSR were equal powers during the cold war, the American economy and engineering was always much better (despite Russia having more nuclear weapons, launching to space first, etc), so you're probably right. I was actually trying to find an original weapon made by the Russians and I came up with the AK-47.  After looking at the Wiki page on the AK-47 it can be pulled from there that they really were just copying the assault rifle idea mainly from Germany with their StG44.  Since the Russians had plenty of experience towards the end of the war with Germany infantry being equipped with StG44 they obviously saw the value in the assault rifle.  Anyways, the AK-47 was and still is an amazing gun and has proven reliability.  I am sure there are plenty of original weapons ideas that the Russians have come up with but I just can't find any that are completely original.  However, it can be said that most weapons are just improvements based off of previous weapons.  Russia had a few other guns during the war that also were precurors to the AK-47. The initial development of the AK-47 sprung from the SKS, which was developed and chambered in the 'intermediate' 7.62x39 cartridge which became the de-facto golden standard of firearm calibers for the next 50 years. The SKS was developed in parallel with the STG-44, so one could argue that neither were more innovative than the other. The SKS was more rifle-based while the STG-44 was more machine-pistol based (with its smaller x33 cartridge configuration). The SKS is an amazing, AMAZING weapon. Not as proliferated as the AK by any measure, but my dad (ergo my brother and I) own 3 - two Chinese types and a Russian type. Fantastic weapons of war. A lot of poorer nations adopted the SKS if they couldn't afford/get their hands on an AK-47 like Vietnam did during their struggle for independence and their war against America.

Why do you liberationists love guns so much? :p Im guessing you support 2nd amendment too?