ok Therese allot of crazy post in this thread, so i'll say what i see.

Forza is brighter then GT5 until the sun passes inside the car on the inside of the GT5 car.

as for this stupid audio argument. i heard one car sound so the audio comment is stupid and unfounded.

Forza tries to show more detail by being brighter and it works for the road, but not the cockpit. that cockpit is just blurry and i have 20/20 vision so don't try to argue this point.

GT5's lighting when the sun passes inside the car shows as light and not something made to make the car more detailed. GT5's sunlight is done perfectly.

last but not least Seece and op. your right it doesn't matter. growing up is a part of life for some and for others...............................................................

As the Plant says in Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy... "Oh no, not again."

the clouds in one video look waaay better then the other one.. for more realistic for laguna seca..

look at the reviews and read them before you give to cents about a score. a score means shit and so does metric. if thats how you choose your games then maybe you shouldn't be a gamer.

whts the review score for both games on this site? GT5 scored an 8.8 and Forza scored a 9/10. Forza got better scores in gameplay 9.5/10 an presentation

an GT5 got a 9.5 value score which means GT5 is the better value. at the end of the day its about what you want. VGC gave Forza4 a better score, but GT5 is the better value.

and as for all those metric reviews or average percentage or what ever. i've read mostly all of the reviews on GT5 and they only had a complaint about the grapic's so GT5 being a few points in most review scores behind Forza means nothing.

don't ask questions like that. bother reading more then 5 reivews and get a true perspective.

there both great value people so enjoy them! read the reviews not just the score or you won't look to bright.

I dont tend to notice blades of grass while racing, i try not to keep still, but then again sacrafices have to be made for one thing, and id prefere night and weather fetures for m realistic racing, than blades of grass, just saying, its a racing game not a gardening game

How real is that?

i'm starting to worry about the people playing racing games these days if you playing the game and concentrating on the grass and the trees and such then your not playing it right!!

I've got both and love them both equally there great, graphics wise they both have there advantages Forza generally has alittle more detail in terms of lighting where as GT looks more realistic in motion tit for tat

You're joking right? There is no grass in the real life version of the track... That's just poly half arseing graphics again and having zero consistancy.

The track in FM4 is also far more detailed if you looked closely.

So you prefer it when realistcally, day turns to night within 15 minutes of driving?

Forza 4 is WAY too bright IMO. Also the car in forza sounds exactly like my lawn mower (no joke).

FK me why is it so bright?!?!