As a believer myself I'm even surprised to find all the evidence for all the stuff written in the Bible.


"Okay dude, what about that Biblical Exodus? What evidence is there for that?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nfblGl3zt0

The video has interesting discoveries such as the tops of Mt. Sinai is burnt crisp black because God descended on the mountain like fire, altars and pillars for sacrifices, and underwater land bridge where the Red Sea Crossing was plausible etc.

Also watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-eSRcr9CWw&feature=mfu_in_order&am p;am p;am p;am p;am p;am p;am p;am p;am p;am p;list=UL & http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaN2acVMGC8&feature=mfu_in_order&am p;am p;am p;am p;am p;am p;am p;am p;am p;am p;list=UL

"Okay, you got me there. But the Bible says there were giants. Hahaha there is no evidence for that!"

Oh yes there is! In the Bible it reads: "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown." Gen. 6:4

An article from Strand magazine (December,1895) reprinted in "Traces of the Elder Faiths of Ireland" by W.G. Wood-Martin mentions this fossilized giant discovered during mining operations in County Antrim, Ireland: "Pre-eminent among the most extraordinary articles ever held by a railway company is the fossilized Irish giant, which is at this moment lying at the London and North-Western Railway Company's Broad street goods depot, and a photograph of which is reproduced here. . . This monstrous figure is reputed to have been dug up by a Mr. Dyer whilst prospecting for iron ore in County Antrim. The principal measurements are: entire length, 12ft. 2in.; girth of chest, 6ft. 6in.; and length of arms, 4ft. 6in. There are six toes on the right foot. The gross weight is 2 tons 15cwt.; so that it took half a dozen men and a powerful crane to place this article of lost property in position for the Strand magazine artist. Dyer, after showing the giant in Dublin, came to England with his queer find and exhibited it in Liverpool and Manchester at sixpence, sixpence a head, attracting scientific men as well as gaping sightseers". http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/images/giantmyers.jpg


http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/giants.htm

Video evidence: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N63lhtx2q8o&feature=mfu_in_order&am p;am p;am p;am p;am p;am p;am p;am p;am p;am p;am p;list=UL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18CY7ZaCfzY&feature=related


"If the Bible is true then what about Noah's Flood? Where is the evidence, physical or otherwise?"


Just about every culture has a worldwide flood story similar to Noah's http://www.icr.org/article/why-does-nearly-every-culture-have-traditio n-globa/

Evidence of Noah's Ark

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7SWStELTZI

How did Moses know the dimensions of the Ark was perfect for stability?

www.biblicalcreation.org.uk/biblical_studies/bcs043.html

"where did all the water come from?".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7SWStELTZI

More evidence for Noah's Flood Startling Evidence That Noah's Flood Really Happened
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGeULHljDn8

Chinese culture/language gives credence to a worldwide flood

http://www.bibleprobe.com/chinese.htm

http://creation.com/images/pdfs/tj/j19_2/j19_2_96-108.pdf

Scientific evidence undoubtedly shows that the Grand Canyon was formed by a catastrophic flood.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aNlb3lFhFM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wax83pqUv10

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_TX95LAogY

>>> Discoveries of underwater cities throughout the world
http://www.s8int.com/water1.html

How did Noah Fit all the animals?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wb72gs_3MqA&list=FL3yJ2rfgY1ZVWJSct Ct-1Aw&index=7

Other discoveries confirms events in book of Genesis http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdPg5yhngi0

Giant Oysters- More than 500 fossilized giant oysters were found nearly two miles above sea level in the Andes mountain range of Peru. The discovery of the oysters. some of which are 11.5 feet wide and weigh 660 pounds, reinforces the scientific theory that the Andes mountains were covered by the sea in the last few thousand years.
http://www.yecheadquarters.com/noah_flood.5.html

"Okay, what about evidence for King David, and Joshua and Jericho?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q9qZ8Fo3ZQ&feature=results_video&a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;playnext=1&list=PLB4FA671BC6411CA9

"You really believe God sent fire and brimstone on those cities in Genesis? What evidence you have for that?"


Conclusive physical evidence ofwhere Sodom and Gomorrah was and that it was destroyed by fire and brimstone just as it says in the Bible. Americans should learn from history and not all into the sin that Sodom and Gomorrah fell into.

Scientific evidence for Sodom and Gomorrah and how it was destroyed according to the Bible http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oG3QsisQrkc&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQY1B0Ssqbk

"Okay you got me there, man. But I bet you can't find evidence for the Tower of Babel!"


There is evidence http://creation.com/the-tower-of-babel-account-affirmed-by-linguistics

Chinese characters also supports it http://www.cogwriter.com/news/old-testament-history/chinese-characters -and-early-genesis/

"Okay, okay, what about dinosaurs? How come the Bible says nothing about them"


Yes it does. Read the book of Job where it describes an animal with a tail like a cedar tree http://www.creationists.org/dinosaurs-humans-coexisted-behemoth.html

"You seriously believe dinosaurs co-existed with man? That's crazy, man. What evidence you have for that?"


Dinosaurs/Dragons in writing hundreds of years ago Source: http://www.genesispark.org/genpark/history/history.htm

Art depictions of Dinosaurs/Dragons throughout the world http://www.genesispark.com/genpark/ancient/ancient.htm

A video about it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeHDCfRzrXk&playnext=1&list=PLD %20B409669A8BC555C

You really think dinosaurs can retain its stench and fossilized red blood cells?

Scientists have discovered a dino cadaver that still retained its stench and still has fossilized red blood cells.

"The guy looked at it and said, 'Do you realize you've got red blood cells in that bone?' " Schweitzer remembers.

Once, when she was working with a T. rex skeleton harvested from Hell's Creek she noticed that the fossil exuded a distinctly organic odor. "It smelled just like one of the cadavers we had in the lab who had been treated with chemotherapy before he died," she says.

http://discovermagazine.com/2006/apr/dinosaur-dna

Another scientists discovered a supposed 67 million year 3D dino mummy that still retained skin structure and may possibly retained its organs. Oh, they suspect the dino was buried rapidly. Hmmm could it have been Noah's Flood?

Info on the the Dino mummy:

Video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSYFmyn3n3c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQYa3KaEIwQ

http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2007/12/dino_mummy

"Dude, I did not know that. That's crazy, yo! Okay but I was taught in science class that life came from goo by accident, what do you say about that?"

That's a myth. It is more reasonable to conclude that organic life was designed by an intelligent agent than arise by chance or accident.
Check out this thread http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1091617/board/flat/186484436

"Okay, what about evolution? Didn't we evolve from some primordial cell billions of years ago?"

That's a myth too. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1091617/board/flat/188365505

"The Bible says believers "wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." What evidence is for that?"

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0335345/board/flat/186496240?d=186496240#1 86496240

"If the Bible is from God then it should have scientific knowledge that people didn't know back then"

It does! For example Life is in the Blood:

"Today it is well established that If you lose your blood, you lose your life, however bloodletting or the withdrawal of often considerable quantities of blood from a patient to cure or prevent illness and almost every disease was a most common medical practice performed by doctors from antiquity up to the late 19th century. Today we know that not only is bloodletting ineffective for most diseases, in the overwhelming majority of cases it was extremely harmful to patients."

Leviticus 17:11, written 3,000 years ago, declared that blood is the source of life:

"For the life of the flesh is in the blood."

There is also Springs Under The Seas:
"Hydrothermal vents are found in areas of the ocean floor that are spreading, such as at mid-ocean ridges, where tectonic plates are being pulled apart. Molten magma then rises from deep inside the Earth, superheating the cold ocean water around it. The average temperature of deep-ocean water is only 2°C (36°F). The water coming directly from a hydrothermal vent can reach up to 350°C (662°F) and is rich in dissolved chemicals. The hot spring water forms a plume above the vent, somewhat like smoke rising from a chimney into the air."

"The first underwater hot spring to be discovered was probably in 1977, when scientists discovered hot springs at a depth of 2.5 km, on the Galapagos Rift (spreading ridge) off the coast of Ecuador. Since then other hot springs have been found at a number of sites along the mid-oceanic ridges, many on the East Pacific Rise. Giant tube worms, huge clams, and mussels all thrive around the hot springs."

Yet once again the Bible was slightly ahead of man’s discovery..

Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea? Or hast thou walked in the recesses of the deep? [Job 38:16]

An Expanding Universe:
The prophet Isaiah who lived almost 3,000 years ago stated

"It is He that . . . stretches out the heavens as a curtain, and spreads them out as a tent to dwell in." [40:22]

"Scientists are beginning to understand that the universe is expanding, or stretching out. Scripture clearly tells us At least seven times that God stretches out the heavens like a curtain."

The Earth is a Sphere:
The following statement was made some 2800 years ago (some 750 years before Christ) by a divinely inspired Isaiah.

"He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in." (Isaiah 40:22)

These are just a few examples.

"Maaan. I didn't know all that. If the Bible is true then tell me some unlikely fulfilled prophecies that recently came true?"


Matthew 24:14 (NKJV) .."And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come."..

Wow, what extreme luck or coincidence that is almost being fulfilled. Who really knew that Gospel message-that he died forthose who believe in him and was raised from the dead- would persist for 2000 years and spread across the globe of people of all nations and
tongues? It's like he's divine or something.

The nations worship Jesus!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97-mwKm7SwY Africa
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlgwwLyKIHM China
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWsvTIXmky0 Indonesia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74K8RKbsegQ Brazil
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2mDDz177wQ India
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6gvgHAR9pE&feature=Columbia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20OoguQVet4&feature=related Pakistan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HYEmNOaFwk&feature=related South Korea
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXkWu8MjFLA Philippines

There is also the recently fulfilled prophecy of the rebirth of Israel!

The ruins of Israel would be rebuilt

Bible passage: Amos 9:11, 13

Written: about 750 BC

Fulfilled: late 1900s

In Amos 9:11, 13, the prophet said that God would restore the land of David. (King David ruled Israel from about 1010 BC to about 970 BC). The land of David - Israel - was conquered and destroyed by the Babylonians, Assyrians and Romans. The land has been in ruins for much of the past 2000 years. The Jews, who had been scattered throughout the world, began to return in large numbers during the past 100 years. Since then, they have been rebuilding many of Israel's ancient cities. Amos also said there would be continuous planting and harvesting. During the past 100 years, the Jews have been using advanced farming and irrigation techniques to turn barren land into productive farmland. Today, Israel is a source of food for many countries.

Here is Amos 9:11, 13

"In that day I will restore David's fallen tent. I will repair its broken places, restore its ruins, and build it as it used to be,'' … "The days are coming," declares the Lord, "when the reaper will be overtaken by the plowman and the planter by the one treading grapes. New wine will drip from the mountains and flow from all the hills."

Zechariah prophesied the Jews return to Jerusalem

Bible passage: Zechariah 8:7-8

Written: between 520 and 518 BC

Fulfilled: 1967, etc.

In Zechariah 8:7-8, the prophet said God would bring the Jews back from the east and the west to their homeland (Israel) and that they would be able to live in the city of Jerusalem again. This prophecy has been fulfilled more than once. About 2600 years ago, Babylon destroyed Jerusalem and took many Jews as captives to Babylon. But many Jews later returned from Babylon. The Jews rebuilt Jerusalem but the city was destroyed about 1900 years ago by the Romans. The Romans killed more than 1 million Jews and forced many more into exile. The Jews did not have control of Jerusalem again until 1967 when the Jews recaptured the city during the Six Day War.

Here is Zechariah 8:7-8

This is what the Lord Almighty says: "I will save my people from the countries of the east and the west. I will bring them back to live in Jerusalem; they will be my people, and I will be faithful and righteous to them as their God."

Bible passage: Isaiah 43:5-6

Written: perhaps between 701-681 BC

Fulfilled: late 1900s

In Isaiah 43:5-6, the prophet Isaiah said that the Jews would return to their homeland from the east, the west, the north and the south. Isaiah lived about 2700 years ago. At that time, the Assyrians had forced many Jews in the northern kingdom of Israel into exile. Those Jews were taken to other areas in the Middle East. Then, about 1900 years ago, the Romans destroyed the city of Jerusalem and killed and exiled hundreds of thousands of Jews. Since then, the Jews have been scattered to virtually every country in the world. But, during the past century, millions of Jews have returned to Israel, from the east, the west, the north and the south.

"Wow man, that's awesome. What fulfilled prophecies did Jesus Fulfill?


He fulfilled over 100 prophecies.
Fulfilled prophecies of His birth http://100prophecies.org/page2.htm
Fulfilled prophecies of His life http://100prophecies.org/page3.htm
Fulfilled prophecies of His persecution and crucifixion http://100prophecies.org/page4.htm
Other prophecies fulfilled during His life http://100prophecies.org/page1.htm

One of the most remarkable prophecies is the Daniel 9 Prophecy which prophesied about Jesus to the exact day! "Biblical Prophecy: Daniel 9:25
A most compelling Biblical Prophecy is found in Daniel, chapter 9, verse 25. Written 500 years before the birth of Jesus Christ (the oldest preserved copy dating 200 years before the birth of Christ), it foretells the very day Christ would enter Jerusalem. The prophecy states: 69 weeks of years (69 x 7 = 483 years) would pass from the decree to rebuild Jerusalem, until the coming of the Messiah. This is according to the Babylonian 360-day calendar, since Daniel was written in Babylon during the Jewish captivity after the fall of Jerusalem. Thus, 483 years x 360 days = 173,880 days. According to records found by Sir Henry Creswicke Rawlinson in the Shushan (Susa) Palace, and confirmed in Nehemiah 2:1, this decree was made on March 14th, 445 BC, by Artaxerxes Longimanus. Exactly 173,880 days later, on April 6th, 32 AD, Jesus Christ rode into Jerusalem upon a colt (fulfilling the prophecy in Zechariah 9:9). The world celebrates this day as Palm Sunday. Four days later, Christ was murdered upon the cross. Actually, the form of His execution and even His last words were foretold in Psalm 22. Three days later, Jesus rose from the dead on Easter Sunday, fulfilling numerous other prophecies of our Messiah."

The Daniel 9 prophecy is irrefutable evidence. Watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imqL2ertPW4 & http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcVsGH6i3m4

"Duuuude. That's amazing. Alright give me one more piece of irrefutable evidence that proves the Bible is from God?"

How about the heptadtic structure found in the scriptures? It has never been refuted http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flbaJfRwYxM & http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxYwLvtnoyc


"So what do I have to do be saved?


By faith in Jesus Christ ALONE we can be saved.

Salvation is NOT found in a religion or good works, but in a Person... The LORD JESUS CHRIST!

John 11:25, “Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live.”
John 14:6, “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”
John 6:40, “And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.”
Mark 1:15, “And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
Acts 26:18, “To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.”
Romans 10:13, “For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
1st Corinthians 3:11, "For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.”
Galatians 3:26, “For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.”

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/how_to_be_saved.html 

Really makes you think, doesn't it?

What is this VGchurch?

d21lewis said: Really makes you think, doesn't it?

...and laugh, it makes me laugh

Bahaha.

I especially love the discussion with yourself format. It seems preaching to the choir is particularly easy when the choir is in fact yourself.

WHAT A LOT OF SHIT!

THAT's ALL!

I read the whole thing.

Now I'm not here to push my beliefs (or even properly explain them) to anyone, but I have to say...

Almost every single piece of 'evidence' you put in the OP also 'proves' the Vedic (Hindu if you will) view of history. Also, those underwater cities don't really help your cause does it? In fact, the more ancient settlements are dug up, the weaker the Bibilical Creationism story becomes.

There are people doing what your doing in almost any belief system (including Science). My problem is that the Bible is an incoherent mess - not the work of an all-intelligent Being.

...or as D21lewis always says:

It really makes you think. Doesn't it?

...the fact that most cultures have ancient tales of the flood and that it also appears in the Bible actually does NOTHING to verify the Bible whatsoever. I wish people could understand the simple logic behind that statement.

how come guys like MUGEN get banned for Sig length while this guy can keep on preaching his Christian Propaganda here?

Christians will always infect.

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