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Joelcool7 said:

I've gotta say I have watched countless documentaries and seen countless archeological facts. However proving anything prior to the New Testament is very difficult. I have never seen evidence that isn't debatable, I know what I believe but in all honesty I can't prove the old testament.

I think creating a thread like this only serves to harm the Christian community here on VGChartz. Much like the countless Atheist threads that bait in Christians for attack this thread is bating in atheists. Only difference is while Atheist users will attack, your not going to find many Christian users who will do likewise.

I think all these religion and anti-religion threads are starting to get way out of hand. They are being used to cause conflicts between VGChartz users.

As for all the comments attacking this user's beliefs saying Science is unbiased and all the theories are proven fact. This non-sense is just as bad as all the preachy threads that have been made lately. Religious and atheist ignorance are only driving VGChartz users to dislike one another for really trivial things.

I think this thread is pointless, UN-intentional flame bait. The user had every right to create it and express his views but we all knew what was going to happen when it was created. Man do I hope we don't see another religious or anti-religious thread for awhile, it gets so annoying getting in debates with people that neither person has a chance in heck of winning!


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padib said:
lololol said:

Dinosaurs died out 65 million years ago. The Bible says the Earth is 6000 years old. The Bible is wrong

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/05/090501-oldest-dinosaur-proteins.html

How are you dating these dinosaurs? Geological strata and radiometric dating. And these hemoglobins, not believed to be contaminants, what do you make of them? For how long can these possibly be preserved?

 

These are a little long (9 minutes each I think) but they're worth the watch trust me! :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5369-OobM4&list=PLD07D73CD6333903F&index=4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7w57_P9DZJ4&feature=related

Just incase you actually do accept that but believe it was "intelligently designed" to happen
Here's a great clip on that, that'll really make you think: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISg6j7BF02Q&list=PLD07D73CD6333903F&index=2

Now this is my own personal way of knowing the world is far older than 6000 years. How would the billions of species with populations in the millions/billioms that have all been discovered, live within the space of 6000 years? You would literally have to stack animals on top of eachother xD Only 1% of species that have ever walked the earth are alive today. The species we have today were pretty much the same a few thousand years ago, apart from small mutations/adaptions and a few animals that have evolved rapidly. Now if those 1% of all species needed atleast a couple thousand years to sustain them at the same time, let's say 50,000 years (rough guestimate), all I need to do is some simple maths, 50,000 x 100 (1% x 100), and that would give me the age the earth would at LEAST need to be to of been able to sustain the amount of animals we've discovered. I didn't really have to use any complicated science, just my own common sense. And ofcourse, the estimates aren't accurate and many species have/had been on the earth for much longer or shorter then the figure I guessed, but it's just a generalization. 

I probably didn't articulate myself all too well in that last paragraph, it's because I hardly ever write/say that, I just sort of visualize it in my head, so it's hard to put into words. I don't mind if you ignore it :)



justinian said:

Speculative science and religion. All giving us crap that can't be proven either way meaning there is no difference between the two.

I am all for science, don't get me wrong but for every learned scientists that produce theories on earth's past there are as many just as learned that disagree and produce totally different theories.
Whichever theory the press decides to back then becomes the "fact".

The truth is any scientists would admit "we don't really know" but for some reason many take these theories as fact because the scientists said so, not much different from the days when people believed nonsense because the priest said so.

You display a rather big lack of knowledge about the scientific method of verification and falsification. Please educate yourself on those concepts and reread your post again.



Radio Carbon Dating versus a 7,000 year old Earth

Go.



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Andrespetmonkey said:
padib said:
lololol said:

Dinosaurs died out 65 million years ago. The Bible says the Earth is 6000 years old. The Bible is wrong

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/05/090501-oldest-dinosaur-proteins.html

How are you dating these dinosaurs? Geological strata and radiometric dating. And these hemoglobins, not believed to be contaminants, what do you make of them? For how long can these possibly be preserved?

These are a little long (9 minutes each I think) but they're worth the watch trust me! :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5369-OobM4&list=PLD07D73CD6333903F&index=4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7w57_P9DZJ4&feature=related

Just incase you actually do accept that but believe it was "intelligently designed" to happen
Here's a great clip on that, that'll really make you think: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISg6j7BF02Q&list=PLD07D73CD6333903F&index=2

I enjoyed watching those, thanks :)



padib said:
Andrespetmonkey said:
padib said:
lololol said:

Dinosaurs died out 65 million years ago. The Bible says the Earth is 6000 years old. The Bible is wrong

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/05/090501-oldest-dinosaur-proteins.html

How are you dating these dinosaurs? Geological strata and radiometric dating. And these hemoglobins, not believed to be contaminants, what do you make of them? For how long can these possibly be preserved?

 

These are a little long (9 minutes each I think) but they're worth the watch trust me! :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5369-OobM4&list=PLD07D73CD6333903F&index=4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7w57_P9DZJ4&feature=related

Just incase you actually do accept that but believe it was "intelligently designed" to happen
Here's a great clip on that, that'll really make you think: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISg6j7BF02Q&list=PLD07D73CD6333903F&index=2

Now this is my own personal way of knowing the world is far older than 6000 years. How would the billions of species with populations in the millions/billioms that have all been discovered, live within the space of 6000 years? You would literally have to stack animals on top of eachother xD Only 1% of species that have ever walked the earth are alive today. The species we have today were pretty much the same a few thousand years ago, apart from small mutations/adaptions and a few animals that have evolved rapidly. Now if those 1% of all species needed atleast a couple thousand years to sustain them at the same time, let's say 50,000 years (rough guestimate), all I need to do is some simple maths, 50,000 x 100 (1% x 100), and that would give me the age the earth would at LEAST need to be to of been able to sustain the amount of animals we've discovered. I didn't really have to use any complicated science, just my own common sense. And ofcourse, the estimates aren't accurate and many species have/had been on the earth for much longer or shorter then the figure I guessed, but it's just a generalization. 

I probably didn't articulate myself all too well in that last paragraph, it's because I hardly ever write/say that, I just sort of visualize it in my head, so it's hard to put into words. I don't mind if you ignore it :)

No I like your reasoning, that's exactly what I'm looking for. Just that I'm leaving the office so I won't be able to reply right now. gn guys.


Alright cool :) But just to let you know, the most important part of that post is the videos



Chrizum said:
justinian said:

Speculative science and religion. All giving us crap that can't be proven either way meaning there is no difference between the two.

I am all for science, don't get me wrong but for every learned scientists that produce theories on earth's past there are as many just as learned that disagree and produce totally different theories.
Whichever theory the press decides to back then becomes the "fact".

The truth is any scientists would admit "we don't really know" but for some reason many take these theories as fact because the scientists said so, not much different from the days when people believed nonsense because the priest said so.

You display a rather big lack of knowledge about the scientific method of verification and falsification. Please educate yourself on those concepts and reread your post again.

Everything is theory until proven fact or as some say proven wrong.. The automic bomb was theoritical until trial and error prove it fact. So was space travel. In these cases one can say verification and falsification works as the process was observed.

Scientists always use the words "we think" or "we believe" when dealing with earth's distant past because it is was not observed. We look at what is left and draw conclusions from that. Documentaries and the media drops the "scentists think" most of the time.

My point is that there are many different theories from the origins of modern man to occurences in distant space. Verification and falsification has not yet given a definitive answer on way or the other because other scientists dispute a lot of mainstream theories. Who is right?  There was a brilliant book on this but I can't remember the title.

I don't think you going to understand that anyway seeing you didn't get my first post.



Yeah, about noahs flood...

http://evolution.mbdojo.com/flood.html



About modern scientific stuff in the bible:
Yeah, poetic language vaguely correlating to current knowledge is really convicing,.

About bible prophesies coming true:
There are bible prophesies that didn't come true, and can't come true anymore as the circumstances that would allow them to happen no longer exist. Jesus did not fulfill all the messianic prophesies.
But hell, there's no need to be objective and include things against your case, is there?