Stop twisting my words, I never said the collapsed was on purpose or not. But if a scenario has to take place where only a certain section in  skyscrapers' upper steel support is weakened for whatever reason , then its obviously a 'stupid'  design where its highly possible in resulting in the entire building imploding completely, asymmetrically ,suddenly/rapidly where thousands of people may still be inside with little to no time for evacuation. Thats a DEATH TRAP.  That should only be possible with the use explosives at precise locations in a tall building. Especailly in skyscrapers of that capacity.

And  if you are proudly admitting this is the norm and nothing is wrong, then you are sounding foolish.

Thanks for the name calling which I thought was done enough in the thread earlier.  Calling people that raise questions about the official story "idiots" doesn't help.  Can you at least admit that the US citizens have been misled plenty of times to go to war in the past.  Is it so hard to think that the citizens were perhaps duped again?  I can think of at least 4-5 recent wars where the USA government either provided false information/exaggerated incidents to the public to go war. 

Spanish-American War - USS Maine was probably blown up due to it's own ammo

WW1 - Lusitania - was carrying weapons along with passengers, Zimmerman note - do you really think Mexico would declare war against USA (even if they did they would have gotten their ass kicked just like in the Mexican-American War)

WW2 -  Higher up US officials knew of the attack yet let it happen (held carrier fleet outside Pearl Harbor)

Vietnam War - Gulf of Tonkin was completely made up

Afghanistan War - went to war because of 9/11 even though most of the hijackers came from Saudi Arabia, no way could we attack Saudi Arabia since the Bush family were such good friends with them, put most of the blame on the Taliban that were "harboring" Al Qaeda and sit in Afghanistan long past the time we are welcome

Iraq War - made up bullshit and lies spewed by the top US officials to get the drum beat for war

I wasn't trying to twist your words.

It may be a death trap but it's also the laws of physics - things fall downwards. When you have that much mass falling downwards then whatever is below it (in this case the rest of the tower) basically does not stand a chance. You cannot reasonably design for tens of thousands of tonnes of material falling on your building.

Clearly Rol was talking about Hot Shots and Hot Shots part Deux...

Dude... just stop.. your first post was fine because it was mostly opinion on who sounded foolish... But after you stated your stance on the situation you are the one who sounds foolish with your obvious lack of knowledge on how the world works...

Yes, there is tons wrong with that... I had a friend who showed me a youtube clip claiming dinosaurs were made up and another one talking about how hitler had no power and made no decisions and was just the fall guy of the germans... That guy went around telling other people these stories and he would get a crowd of young people circled around him believing his nonsense  without any evidence... The people who say US was involved in 9/11 sound just as ridiculous as him...

Oh... and he also preached about how we went to war with afghanastan for their diamonds....

"After reading some comments I realize that there are  two types people here. One that believes 9/11 was a conspiracy, and one that does not. And have to say the ones that doesnt are the ones who sounds  foolish."

You didn't.  If someone says, "anyone who thinks it wasn't done on purpose is a fool," I'm gonna take that to mean he believes it was done on purpose. 

As for the death trap:  CYBERNINJA PAY ATTENTION TO THIS:  it is my understanding that there were three separate stairwells going all the way up the towers that could be used for evacuation, but the plane that hit the North tower destroyed ALL THREE of them on the level(s) where it hit, making them completely impassable due to debris/fire/etc.; and in the South tower, two were cut off and one was severely damaged/difficult to use.  If I am mistaken in this in any significant way someone please correct me. 

I think that having three independent means of evacuation is far from criminally negligent design; and IMO, you're overlooking the simple fact that to evacuate the top floor of a building you have to travel through all the floors below it, and that when one of those floors has been destroyed and filled with flaming jet fuel it might simply not be possible.  Do you think they should have provided parachutes? 

It is my understanding that the ONLY reason so many people died is because they were unable to evacuate the people who were stuck above the level where the plane crashed in the North tower, and people in the South tower were unaware that it was possible to use the one stairwell not completely impassable. 

I would also like to point out the following:  "evacuation below the impact zones was a success, allowing [over 90%] to safely evacuate". 

So, cyberninja, I am interested in what you have to say about all that. 

It would have made more sense if he said we went to war with Afghanistan because of opium/heroin (or how about completing that pipeline for good old Dick Cheney).  Funny thing is that we are in this stupid war on drugs (however we are in the country that produces the most heroin in the world, yet we don't do anything to stop it (because it would piss off the poor locals way too much)).  CIA is probably buying the heroin and becoming the biggest drug dealers in the world.  Just had to throw that out there.... 

sorry to bump this thread. but its golden. I have been using it to debunk "truthers" in my mech class.

I think that a natural distrust of government is healthy. We should always be examining our government, and make sure they are not getting to powerful/taking advantage. Often times they DO take advantage of our ignorance, and exploit us: (See NSA).

That being sad, I don't think that the US government has any interest in crashing our economy, and killing citizens. Are their things about 9/11 that seem off? Sure, but lets not jump to outrageous conclusions.