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libellule on 22 May 2011
HappySqurriel said:
Slimebeast said:

Will consumers pick a slightly more powerful Cafe for $300 almost without games or will they choose PS3 and 360 for $250 that have strong online features and hundreds of new and classic games to choose from?

It really depends ... If the only advantage of the Cafe is more processing power probably not, but if there are other improvements it is highly likely that they would. And this is the reason why I believe it is foolish to focus too heavily on processing power as a selling point.

We know too little about what Nintendo is doing to really know how effective they will be. Potentially, Nintendo's focus over the past 5 years could have been to create disruptive services rather than disruptive hardware. While people often don't see the flaws in XBox Live or the Playstation Network, services like single-disc online multiplayer (effectively allowing you to invite friends to play a game only you have bought) or seemless integration with facebook or youtube could have a significant impact on how people see and play videogames.

Hypothetically speaking, if Nintendo created an integrated social gaming platform and they hit a certain sales threshold (even if Sony and Microsoft copy or extend all of the features) Nintendo could become the default choice because everyone's friends already own the Nintendo system; and the value is in connecting with friends not in the hardware.

hum,dont u think social network are already dominated by facebook/twitter and that they are already accessible from everywhere (from pc to phone)



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Solid-Stark on 22 May 2011

I could care less if it's 2x more powerful than current consoles, or 8x. Give me the games which utilize the tech and i will buy.



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cory.ok on 22 May 2011
sethnintendo said:
cory.ok said:
Lyrikalstylez said:

I dont know how the console war is over? I dont have an interest at all in project cafe .....unless Nintendo has a huge launch line-up of games,other than Mario, like actual 3rd party games than maybe I'd be interested but until than Im fine with my ps3 & 360


yea, im in the same boat, i really dont care what hardware nintendo can offer, im fine with the current hardware, i would actually perfer not having to buy new hardware to play games. what they need to get me to buy their new console are a lot of great games that i cant get on the consoles that i already have

Nintendo always provides great games that you can't have on other consoles.

though i dont agree, i hope they start now :P



greenmedic88 on 22 May 2011

It's pretty easy to wait until E3 for a little bit more confirmed facts on what can be expected of Project Cafe before doing Nostradamus impressions.

As for the whole port issue, unless Nintendo has made the error of making Windows PC game ports difficult, it's safe to say that the ports it receives will be based on the PC versions/code/assets, rather than the console versions of games optimized to run on the 360 or PS3.

Unfortunately, not all console games are developed on or for Windows PC. So it will be the games that were natively coded for Project Cafe that should reasonably be expected to be the most important to the platform, starting with 1st party Nintendo games.

It could be a great replacement console for the Wii to all those who are a little tired of playing 720x480 res games on their 1920x1080 displays, or it may bring something entirely new to the console market like the Wii if it releases with software that truly showcases the unique features of the platform not possible on other platforms.



DélioPT on 22 May 2011

Slimbeast posed a really important question. Why choose a new console with barely no games and a higher price tag than consoles already in the market?
As much as important as the question is, in the end, in essence, the console will be bought with not a great deal of games and a higher price tag. Why? Well everytime a new console is released, there are already 2/3 consoles with a great library of games and a lower price tag and still, new consoles sell. Why? Because they are a breath of fresh air on the gaming market; they bring new possibilities; exclusive games.

If a console needed great games and a low price tag, probably no console would really get off and would end up dying sooner than later.

What happens is that sooner or later a great number of people end up buying the new console because that game they want comes out, even if there aren`t a lot of games or the price isn`t as low as they would want them to be, it`s just that the game that would "convert" them to new system is out - no so linear as i made it look like, but the meaning is there.



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thismeintiel on 22 May 2011
HappySqurriel said:
thismeintiel said:

Well, if rumors are true, it will.  A touchscreen built into the controller.  However, I don't see that as being a huge selling point like motion gaming was.  Plus, who's to say that Sony won't have it where the NGP can be used as a controller for the PS3, and later, the PS4?  Not that I think that will be a big selling point for it, either.


Who knows whether the rumours will be true or not ...

The main point was that it is moronic to say that a system couldn't be successful when you know absolutely nothing about it. Even if the rumours are true, and it has a touch screen, with the people who said that motion controls on the Wii were pointless and the touch screen on the DS was a bad idea, I'm not willing to pass judgement on something like this until it has officially been demonstrated.

I'm just speaking as if the rumors are true.  Nothing wrong with speculation.  And the Wii and DS were different, because both of those techs were relatively new, and hadn't been used for gaming in that way.  However, touchscreens are pretty commonplace, now.  And while it can definitely can have some interesting uses in a game, people won't be drawn to it like they were to motion gaming in the Wii.



 

HappySqurriel on 22 May 2011
libellule said:
HappySqurriel said:
Slimebeast said:

Will consumers pick a slightly more powerful Cafe for $300 almost without games or will they choose PS3 and 360 for $250 that have strong online features and hundreds of new and classic games to choose from?

It really depends ... If the only advantage of the Cafe is more processing power probably not, but if there are other improvements it is highly likely that they would. And this is the reason why I believe it is foolish to focus too heavily on processing power as a selling point.

We know too little about what Nintendo is doing to really know how effective they will be. Potentially, Nintendo's focus over the past 5 years could have been to create disruptive services rather than disruptive hardware. While people often don't see the flaws in XBox Live or the Playstation Network, services like single-disc online multiplayer (effectively allowing you to invite friends to play a game only you have bought) or seemless integration with facebook or youtube could have a significant impact on how people see and play videogames.

Hypothetically speaking, if Nintendo created an integrated social gaming platform and they hit a certain sales threshold (even if Sony and Microsoft copy or extend all of the features) Nintendo could become the default choice because everyone's friends already own the Nintendo system; and the value is in connecting with friends not in the hardware.

hum,dont u think social network are already dominated by facebook/twitter and that they are already accessible from everywhere (from pc to phone)

There are countless devices which allow you access to facebook, with almost no services that interact with it directly ...

When you can view someone's "gamerscore" or game recommendations, chat with them while playing a game, invite them to play with you, and countless other potential interactions I can’t think of at the moment I will say that facebook has been integrated with a videogame console.

The broader point was, who says that "disruption" has to be driven by disruptive hardware; why can't the services provided by the console be disruptive?

There are lots of questions that you can ask about the conventions of videogame consoles ...

Why can't you play with your videogame system while someone is watching TV? Why can't your videogame system be used to augment your TV watching experience?

Why are most videogames implicitly competitive? Why can't they be co-operative, communication based or creative? Why can't videogames be educational or inspirational?

Why aren't videogames more social? Why is playing games by yourself (or potentially with people you've never met) an "ideal" experience?

 

... I could go on and on, but I don't get the feeling that you would see my point that a videogame system is more than the CPU and GPU that it contains; and people may favour a system with little regard for what its theoritical processing power is or how that compares to other systems on the market.



o_O.Q on 22 May 2011
sethnintendo said:
cory.ok said:
Lyrikalstylez said:

I dont know how the console war is over? I dont have an interest at all in project cafe .....unless Nintendo has a huge launch line-up of games,other than Mario, like actual 3rd party games than maybe I'd be interested but until than Im fine with my ps3 & 360


yea, im in the same boat, i really dont care what hardware nintendo can offer, im fine with the current hardware, i would actually perfer not having to buy new hardware to play games. what they need to get me to buy their new console are a lot of great games that i cant get on the consoles that i already have

Nintendo always provides great games that you can't have on other consoles.

the same applies to sony and microsoft as well



Umos-Cmos on 23 May 2011
DélioPT said:

Slimbeast posed a really important question. Why choose a new console with barely no games and a higher price tag than consoles already in the market?
As much as important as the question is, in the end, in essence, the console will be bought with not a great deal of games and a higher price tag. Why? Well everytime a new console is released, there are already 2/3 consoles with a great library of games and a lower price tag and still, new consoles sell. Why? Because they are a breath of fresh air on the gaming market; they bring new possibilities; exclusive games.

If a console needed great games and a low price tag, probably no console would really get off and would end up dying sooner than later.

What happens is that sooner or later a great number of people end up buying the new console because that game they want comes out, even if there aren`t a lot of games or the price isn`t as low as they would want them to be, it`s just that the game that would "convert" them to new system is out - no so linear as i made it look like, but the meaning is there.

Plus it will be the home of Mario Kart and Smash Bros!



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ShadowSoldier on 23 May 2011

Before we decide to hand Nintendo the crown let's see what Sony and Microsoft have up their sleeves



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