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non-gravity said:

Hasn't this lack of third party support been present since the N64 days? 



Yes but the reason why it got very little suppport was because its powerfull (at the time) but complex architechure was hard and pricey to program. Developers now seem to like working on these complex powerfull machines with pretty eye candy; IMO hence why they don't want to work on a system like the Wii. To me it seems the industry (here at least) went somewhat backwards. Even if nintendo's next console does deliver in power, developers will probably just make another excuse not to make games for it, but I could be wrong.



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RolStoppable said:
UncleScrooge said:

I more and more get the feeling it's mainly some sort of psychological thing that makes or brakes support of third parties. Most of them want to make movie-like games, push online and show how great they can make their games look on your system.

Maybe third parties are like gravity: You may not like it but it will always be there so why not arrange with it? Give them better online, a nice CPU and enough RAM and tell them they are cool. Epic will never stop bitching about Nintendo's systems but Capcom, Sega, Konami should be happy with these improvements. And with at least a one year headstart and a powerful-enough system they might just be happy enough to seriously support Nintendo's next console.

Look at the 3DS: Technically it is hardly more advanced than the DS was at the time of its release. All it needed was Nintendo saying "yeah, we're so hardcore" and a headstart and third parties went bonkers... once a good relationship has been established they will continue to support your system even with more powerful hardware out a year or two later. It's more about your console's image than the CPU inside it.

It's not really about the image either. It's about choice. If third parties have none, then they'll have to settle with Nintendo. Outside of Japan the PSP has had disastrous software sales, so third parties are better safe than sorry by supporting the 3DS out of the gate instead of holding out and banking on Sony's NGP.

Maybe it's a mix of both. Whatever it is it doesn't appear to be 100% rational.



UncleScrooge said:
RolStoppable said:
UncleScrooge said:

I more and more get the feeling it's mainly some sort of psychological thing that makes or brakes support of third parties. Most of them want to make movie-like games, push online and show how great they can make their games look on your system.

Maybe third parties are like gravity: You may not like it but it will always be there so why not arrange with it? Give them better online, a nice CPU and enough RAM and tell them they are cool. Epic will never stop bitching about Nintendo's systems but Capcom, Sega, Konami should be happy with these improvements. And with at least a one year headstart and a powerful-enough system they might just be happy enough to seriously support Nintendo's next console.

Look at the 3DS: Technically it is hardly more advanced than the DS was at the time of its release. All it needed was Nintendo saying "yeah, we're so hardcore" and a headstart and third parties went bonkers... once a good relationship has been established they will continue to support your system even with more powerful hardware out a year or two later. It's more about your console's image than the CPU inside it.

It's not really about the image either. It's about choice. If third parties have none, then they'll have to settle with Nintendo. Outside of Japan the PSP has had disastrous software sales, so third parties are better safe than sorry by supporting the 3DS out of the gate instead of holding out and banking on Sony's NGP.

Maybe it's a mix of both. Whatever it is it doesn't appear to be 100% rational.


Well when people think they are artists and superior to anyone who isn't, they tend to act irrationally.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

LordTheNightKnight said:
UncleScrooge said:
RolStoppable said:
UncleScrooge said:

I more and more get the feeling it's mainly some sort of psychological thing that makes or brakes support of third parties. Most of them want to make movie-like games, push online and show how great they can make their games look on your system.

Maybe third parties are like gravity: You may not like it but it will always be there so why not arrange with it? Give them better online, a nice CPU and enough RAM and tell them they are cool. Epic will never stop bitching about Nintendo's systems but Capcom, Sega, Konami should be happy with these improvements. And with at least a one year headstart and a powerful-enough system they might just be happy enough to seriously support Nintendo's next console.

Look at the 3DS: Technically it is hardly more advanced than the DS was at the time of its release. All it needed was Nintendo saying "yeah, we're so hardcore" and a headstart and third parties went bonkers... once a good relationship has been established they will continue to support your system even with more powerful hardware out a year or two later. It's more about your console's image than the CPU inside it.

It's not really about the image either. It's about choice. If third parties have none, then they'll have to settle with Nintendo. Outside of Japan the PSP has had disastrous software sales, so third parties are better safe than sorry by supporting the 3DS out of the gate instead of holding out and banking on Sony's NGP.

Maybe it's a mix of both. Whatever it is it doesn't appear to be 100% rational.


Well when people think they are artists and superior to anyone who isn't, they tend to act irrationally.


(and @ Rol):

Yeah that was my point. I think some of them are pretty high in the sky. Best way to deal with these kinds of "artists" is to woo them. Guess Nintendo won't like that but what should they do? Even if they get their software right 100% of the time there will be those "off" years when they have to drop support for one platform to introduce a new one.



UncleScrooge said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
UncleScrooge said:
RolStoppable said:
UncleScrooge said:

I more and more get the feeling it's mainly some sort of psychological thing that makes or brakes support of third parties. Most of them want to make movie-like games, push online and show how great they can make their games look on your system.

Maybe third parties are like gravity: You may not like it but it will always be there so why not arrange with it? Give them better online, a nice CPU and enough RAM and tell them they are cool. Epic will never stop bitching about Nintendo's systems but Capcom, Sega, Konami should be happy with these improvements. And with at least a one year headstart and a powerful-enough system they might just be happy enough to seriously support Nintendo's next console.

Look at the 3DS: Technically it is hardly more advanced than the DS was at the time of its release. All it needed was Nintendo saying "yeah, we're so hardcore" and a headstart and third parties went bonkers... once a good relationship has been established they will continue to support your system even with more powerful hardware out a year or two later. It's more about your console's image than the CPU inside it.

It's not really about the image either. It's about choice. If third parties have none, then they'll have to settle with Nintendo. Outside of Japan the PSP has had disastrous software sales, so third parties are better safe than sorry by supporting the 3DS out of the gate instead of holding out and banking on Sony's NGP.

Maybe it's a mix of both. Whatever it is it doesn't appear to be 100% rational.


Well when people think they are artists and superior to anyone who isn't, they tend to act irrationally.


(and @ Rol):

Yeah that was my point. I think some of them are pretty high in the sky. Best way to deal with these kinds of "artists" is to woo them. Guess Nintendo won't like that but what should they do? Even if they get their software right 100% of the time there will be those "off" years when they have to drop support for one platform to introduce a new one.


I wouldn't say wooing them is the best thing, as the really stuck up ones won't be wooed no matter what, and as we saw with the weird Wii games, many tend to get dumb ideas and then complain when the mainstream doesn't embrace them.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

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kitler53 said:

instead of making yet another thread to show off your entilist view on third party games why not buy the system that has the games you want?  it is not the job of a third party to create markets.  third parties look at the markets and create games to cater to that audience. 

how can you complain when a third party creates yet another minigame based games for nintendo's console when nintendo has published more than 10 minigame based games?

how can you complain when a third party creates yet another FPS/3rdPS for the ps360 instead of wii when nintendo has made one modestly successful metroid compared to MS's halo and gears major successes, and sony's resisteance, killzone, uncharted for good successes?

on each of the consoles third parties have put out games that mirror the types of games first party is developing.   either live with it and stop complaining or do like i did and move to the console that has the games you want.

Agree. That's the reason Wii owners have Super Street Figher IV and Mortal Kombat based on the 10 million install base because Super Smash Bros.

Also we have a lot of platformers from third partys thanks to NSBWii, SMG1 and 2, KEY, DKCR efforts to have an active base, racing arcade quality games  because tha inmense MKWii sales, some sort of RPG that work with Super Paper Mario, first person adventures targeting to Metroid Prime fans and Action Adventures games that we Zelda fans enjoy.



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Pavolink said:
kitler53 said:

instead of making yet another thread to show off your entilist view on third party games why not buy the system that has the games you want?  it is not the job of a third party to create markets.  third parties look at the markets and create games to cater to that audience. 

how can you complain when a third party creates yet another minigame based games for nintendo's console when nintendo has published more than 10 minigame based games?

how can you complain when a third party creates yet another FPS/3rdPS for the ps360 instead of wii when nintendo has made one modestly successful metroid compared to MS's halo and gears major successes, and sony's resisteance, killzone, uncharted for good successes?

on each of the consoles third parties have put out games that mirror the types of games first party is developing.   either live with it and stop complaining or do like i did and move to the console that has the games you want.

Agree. That's the reason Wii owners have Super Street Figher IV and Mortal Kombat based on the 10 million install base because Super Smash Bros.

Also we have a lot of platformers from third partys thanks to NSBWii, SMG1 and 2, KEY, DKCR efforts to have an active base, racing arcade quality games  because tha inmense MKWii sales, some sort of RPG that work with Super Paper Mario, first person adventures targeting to Metroid Prime fans and Action Adventures games that we Zelda fans enjoy.

i don't have time to respond now but i promise i will.  btw ... mortal kombat is on the wii fyi.



kitler53 said:

i don't have time to respond now but i promise i will.  btw ... mortal kombat is on the wii fyi.

I'll be waiting... btw, didn't know that the new MK is on Wii also, nobody pre-order.



Proud to be the first cool Nintendo fan ever

Number ONE Zelda fan in the Universe

DKCTF didn't move consoles

Prediction: No Zelda HD for Wii U, quietly moved to the succesor

Predictions for Nintendo NX and Mobile


Pavolink said:
kitler53 said:

i don't have time to respond now but i promise i will.  btw ... mortal kombat is on the wii fyi.

I'll be waiting... btw, didn't know that the new MK is on Wii also, nobody pre-order.


Just a port of MK Armageddon, unless one was released after that.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

LordTheNightKnight said:
Pavolink said:
kitler53 said:

i don't have time to respond now but i promise i will.  btw ... mortal kombat is on the wii fyi.

I'll be waiting... btw, didn't know that the new MK is on Wii also, nobody pre-order.


Just a port of MK Armageddon, unless one was released after that.

A port? Why I'm not surprised. But you know, is our fault to not buy it.



Proud to be the first cool Nintendo fan ever

Number ONE Zelda fan in the Universe

DKCTF didn't move consoles

Prediction: No Zelda HD for Wii U, quietly moved to the succesor

Predictions for Nintendo NX and Mobile