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DonFerrari said:
fordy said:
DonFerrari said:
fordy said:
Doobie_wop said:
fordy said:
Doobie_wop said:
ssj12 said:
Doobie_wop said:
ssj12 said:
Doobie_wop said:

We fight for consumer rights!

*Takes down PSN and hurts the service that millions of people use*

We only for fight for some consumer rights that appeal to a minority, every other consumer can go fuck themselves!

Anon and their fans are hypocrits.


sometimes the majority must suffer in-order for change to occur. and if they do what Im thinking they will, it will benefit consumers for a little bit. free content!


Your a fool and I don't think I'm going to talk to someone who is willing to exploit the innocent just so they can get some free games and some internet cred.


Its not about free games or internet cred. its about whats right. I have the right to modify my console, and help others be able to do so. Its like cell phones, they can be legally modified and jackbreak software is regularly available. What is the difference between a console and cell phone in terms of electronics? nothing, they both are specialized computers. So if i can modify my cell phone, I can modify my console. If the instructions to modify more cell phone is online, so should the instructions to modify my console.

This isn't a Civil War, this isn't even a national crisis, this is a bunch of hackers getting pissed off because they can't get what they want. Consumers are happy with what they've got and now the 'freedom fighters' have come along to ruin the services we already have and like. 

You do not get to choose what the rights of millions of people are.

You do not have the right to fight for my rights.

You do not have the right to fight for your rights and act as if your special, knowing that it'll hurt the rights of millions to feel safe and use a good service that they agreed to.

You do have the right to hack your console, but you don't have the right to go on Sonys PSN services or buy any of Sonys games.

You do not have the right to pick and choose between what is right and wrong. Hackers do not make laws, they are meant to follow them.

You do not have the right to take advantage of the innocent bystanders of this situation, which includes developers, other publishers and consumers.

You do not represent me, you do not represent the majority, you do not represent freedom.

 

We are Consumers.

We were happy.

We do not forget

We do not put up with needless bullshit.

Piss off.


I'd like to see some kind of opinion poll where you get your facts from, because it isn't safe to say whether the majority support or oppose this. In fact, I'd be safe to say that the majority are in the "no opinion" category.

So what gives you the right to speak for those people, or lobby that you want corporate crackdown on consumer bought hardware? These people are consumers, too. They bought their PS3, so do not treat them as anyone lower than yourself.

Anyone can say they represent the majority, but unless you can back those words up, it's nothing but hot air.

I'm pretty sure that the majority of PS3 owners who use PSN are going to be pissed off that their service was taken offline, just because a few hackers wanted things their way. If they also felt that Sony was being the big bad world in this situation, then they would have reacted. Sony has done nothing to them, so they have no need to freak out about something this silly, on the other hand though, hackers have taken down their service. Sony does nothing bad, hackers attack the consumers right to go on PSN, I wonder which side they'd choose.

I'm pretty sure the majority of PS3 owners weren't online all at the same time to notice it. Once again, no facts, no persuasion.

They HAVE reacted. These are the consumers you are telling to quote "piss off".

Yeah, Sony are the big, innocent corporation here crying out buttrape. How about this? Instead of banning homebrew PS3s from PSN with extreme predjudice, why not enforce regulation of those consoles who DO cause damage to others? Why not? Because Sony do not wish to spend the money on doing procedures the right way, and are sending their brainwashed followers in to do their lobbying.

There is more than one way around this. Sony chose the 'cheaper, but hurt more of their base' path. And you're complaining when those consumers make a stand against this? That is pathetic.


And why don't hackers ban other hackers that do things go bad??

Can you rephrase that? I've tried to interpret that question in several ways.

You said that Sony took off Other/OS and homebrew along (didn't bothered by the fact that this was done after GeoHotz release of information about being able to hack through other/os) and that they should go after people that are harming then (they are doing this by seing GH did it);

And you said that they took the cheapest route when they should take another measures that involved expending more money (why should anyone be guilty because he doesn't want to expend more money to protect from something that shouldn't be done in the first place)... and I said, if it was a hacker that started the problem and are hackers that are doing things that harms some services and make sony overreact, why other hackers don't fight those??

Never saw any hacker working on a hacking to reestabilish anti-piracy measure on a exploit... didn't saw hackers banning pirates from PSN...

You want sony to solve everything and do it the way you want?? Maybe people could start doing it by themselves, go there and ban the CoD cheaters.


It's not my call on if hackers can do that. But think about this: if the ability to ban others is there to be hacked, wouldn't the possibility for the bad hackers to unban themselves be there? What about the ability for hackers to ban people they just don't like?

Both Microsoft and Nintendo used server-side security with their shops, and both don't care about hacked consoles being online. So why should Sony receive preferential treatment just because they didn't have the insight to do the same thing, and made the stupid mistake that client-side security would never be breached?

 



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DonFerrari said:
vlad321 said:
Kasz216 said:

Dreamcast's attach rate was high COMPAIRED TO OTHER SYSTEMS AT THE SAME TIME.


Seriously, you can look up the numbers right here on this website.

The gun analogies point, was the point by the way, it basically disproved the arguement that your trying to make here... and yet you keep trying to argue it.  Making the next point, kinda pointless but oh well.

 

As for the research studies.  You do realize they don't actually ask pirates right, they track all this data scientificially?

Torrent sites don't make the research.. they report on them.  These are all government and university studies... and they all say "Piracy has no effect, mild positive effect"  except for one which says "Can't tell".

Any articles you read from torrent sites likely were completely valid.


This is a completely pointless post, however I just wanted to mention that the word scientificially should totally become a proper word.

And just to note, Kaz someday provided me some so called studies from unknow universities with a little number of subjects... And most were unconclusive or used researchs from hackers information, and none were from government - as he says there are a lot of government and respectable univeristy that corroborate his points, but never saw the docs.

It would be mingbloging why large companies would expend a lot on anti-piracy rotines if it really doesn't harm them (and when used the CD comparition he back tracked saying there was a bubble and today you see that no harm is done, even though total revenue is 10% of what it was before piracy becaming rampant) is it millions expended just to have someone to blame when you don't meet your projections?

TO the bolded. Because they don't know any better either.

Furthermore, the studies i think he linked I know, and specifically the dutch one points out that the economy GROWS because of piracy. Then the Japanese government found out anime piracy increased the market. Meanwhile the others (specifically the US government) kept saying that they just can't find any harm. Not being able to find harm is a result in and of itself, because it shows there is no harm done.

Lastly those "unkown" university wouldn't happen to be the US/dutch/japanese governments, would they? I am also curious what a "known" university is to you and how known/unknown has ANY bearing on scientific data.

The end result is that people have a kneejerk reaction when absolutely ALL studies done have shown that piracy doesn't do harm. It takes a certain amount of close mindedness to keep arguing and believing a point that studies have continuously shown to be faulty.



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HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

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gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

fordy said:
DonFerrari said:
fordy said:
DonFerrari said:
fordy said:
Doobie_wop said:
fordy said:
Doobie_wop said:
ssj12 said:
Doobie_wop said:
ssj12 said:
Doobie_wop said:

We fight for consumer rights!

*Takes down PSN and hurts the service that millions of people use*

We only for fight for some consumer rights that appeal to a minority, every other consumer can go fuck themselves!

Anon and their fans are hypocrits.


sometimes the majority must suffer in-order for change to occur. and if they do what Im thinking they will, it will benefit consumers for a little bit. free content!


Your a fool and I don't think I'm going to talk to someone who is willing to exploit the innocent just so they can get some free games and some internet cred.


Its not about free games or internet cred. its about whats right. I have the right to modify my console, and help others be able to do so. Its like cell phones, they can be legally modified and jackbreak software is regularly available. What is the difference between a console and cell phone in terms of electronics? nothing, they both are specialized computers. So if i can modify my cell phone, I can modify my console. If the instructions to modify more cell phone is online, so should the instructions to modify my console.

This isn't a Civil War, this isn't even a national crisis, this is a bunch of hackers getting pissed off because they can't get what they want. Consumers are happy with what they've got and now the 'freedom fighters' have come along to ruin the services we already have and like. 

You do not get to choose what the rights of millions of people are.

You do not have the right to fight for my rights.

You do not have the right to fight for your rights and act as if your special, knowing that it'll hurt the rights of millions to feel safe and use a good service that they agreed to.

You do have the right to hack your console, but you don't have the right to go on Sonys PSN services or buy any of Sonys games.

You do not have the right to pick and choose between what is right and wrong. Hackers do not make laws, they are meant to follow them.

You do not have the right to take advantage of the innocent bystanders of this situation, which includes developers, other publishers and consumers.

You do not represent me, you do not represent the majority, you do not represent freedom.

 

We are Consumers.

We were happy.

We do not forget

We do not put up with needless bullshit.

Piss off.


I'd like to see some kind of opinion poll where you get your facts from, because it isn't safe to say whether the majority support or oppose this. In fact, I'd be safe to say that the majority are in the "no opinion" category.

So what gives you the right to speak for those people, or lobby that you want corporate crackdown on consumer bought hardware? These people are consumers, too. They bought their PS3, so do not treat them as anyone lower than yourself.

Anyone can say they represent the majority, but unless you can back those words up, it's nothing but hot air.

I'm pretty sure that the majority of PS3 owners who use PSN are going to be pissed off that their service was taken offline, just because a few hackers wanted things their way. If they also felt that Sony was being the big bad world in this situation, then they would have reacted. Sony has done nothing to them, so they have no need to freak out about something this silly, on the other hand though, hackers have taken down their service. Sony does nothing bad, hackers attack the consumers right to go on PSN, I wonder which side they'd choose.

I'm pretty sure the majority of PS3 owners weren't online all at the same time to notice it. Once again, no facts, no persuasion.

They HAVE reacted. These are the consumers you are telling to quote "piss off".

Yeah, Sony are the big, innocent corporation here crying out buttrape. How about this? Instead of banning homebrew PS3s from PSN with extreme predjudice, why not enforce regulation of those consoles who DO cause damage to others? Why not? Because Sony do not wish to spend the money on doing procedures the right way, and are sending their brainwashed followers in to do their lobbying.

There is more than one way around this. Sony chose the 'cheaper, but hurt more of their base' path. And you're complaining when those consumers make a stand against this? That is pathetic.


And why don't hackers ban other hackers that do things go bad??

Can you rephrase that? I've tried to interpret that question in several ways.

You said that Sony took off Other/OS and homebrew along (didn't bothered by the fact that this was done after GeoHotz release of information about being able to hack through other/os) and that they should go after people that are harming then (they are doing this by seing GH did it);

And you said that they took the cheapest route when they should take another measures that involved expending more money (why should anyone be guilty because he doesn't want to expend more money to protect from something that shouldn't be done in the first place)... and I said, if it was a hacker that started the problem and are hackers that are doing things that harms some services and make sony overreact, why other hackers don't fight those??

Never saw any hacker working on a hacking to reestabilish anti-piracy measure on a exploit... didn't saw hackers banning pirates from PSN...

You want sony to solve everything and do it the way you want?? Maybe people could start doing it by themselves, go there and ban the CoD cheaters.


It's not my call on if hackers can do that. But think about this: if the ability to ban others is there to be hacked, wouldn't the possibility for the bad hackers to unban themselves be there? What about the ability for hackers to ban people they just don't like?

Both Microsoft and Nintendo used server-side security with their shops, and both don't care about hacked consoles being online. So why should Sony receive preferential treatment just because they didn't have the insight to do the same thing, and made the stupid mistake that client-side security would never be breached?

 

It's not my call either... but a lot of hackers support put the blame on sony for not being safe enough (as if this wouldn't raise even more attention of hackers that love challenges)... And if they can mod consoles, hack database or whatsoever, they may be able to ban people or at least obtain information and report that person.

And Microsoft cares about hacked consoles online much more than sony as proved by theirs semestral ban-hammer.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

vlad321 said:
DonFerrari said:
vlad321 said:
Kasz216 said:

Dreamcast's attach rate was high COMPAIRED TO OTHER SYSTEMS AT THE SAME TIME.


Seriously, you can look up the numbers right here on this website.

The gun analogies point, was the point by the way, it basically disproved the arguement that your trying to make here... and yet you keep trying to argue it.  Making the next point, kinda pointless but oh well.

 

As for the research studies.  You do realize they don't actually ask pirates right, they track all this data scientificially?

Torrent sites don't make the research.. they report on them.  These are all government and university studies... and they all say "Piracy has no effect, mild positive effect"  except for one which says "Can't tell".

Any articles you read from torrent sites likely were completely valid.


This is a completely pointless post, however I just wanted to mention that the word scientificially should totally become a proper word.

And just to note, Kaz someday provided me some so called studies from unknow universities with a little number of subjects... And most were unconclusive or used researchs from hackers information, and none were from government - as he says there are a lot of government and respectable univeristy that corroborate his points, but never saw the docs.

It would be mingbloging why large companies would expend a lot on anti-piracy rotines if it really doesn't harm them (and when used the CD comparition he back tracked saying there was a bubble and today you see that no harm is done, even though total revenue is 10% of what it was before piracy becaming rampant) is it millions expended just to have someone to blame when you don't meet your projections?

TO the bolded. Because they don't know any better either.

Furthermore, the studies i think he linked I know, and specifically the dutch one points out that the economy GROWS because of piracy. Then the Japanese government found out anime piracy increased the market. Meanwhile the others (specifically the US government) kept saying that they just can't find any harm. Not being able to find harm is a result in and of itself, because it shows there is no harm done.

Lastly those "unkown" university wouldn't happen to be the US/dutch/japanese governments, would they? I am also curious what a "known" university is to you and how known/unknown has ANY bearing on scientific data.

The end result is that people have a kneejerk reaction when absolutely ALL studies done have shown that piracy doesn't do harm. It takes a certain amount of close mindedness to keep arguing and believing a point that studies have continuously shown to be faulty.

If they don't know better, any collective of people can try to arrange a meeting to show it... i don't think that mega corporations are dumb and the forum posters are so much better prepared to run bussiness (because if they are they should start their own company to compet... as i think hackers should make theirs console since they are very kwnoledgeable).

The links he provided wasn't from any government, he gave one that was a news report of the suit against piratebay and the other was from a small university that i don't remember the name....

And every time someone say that there are studies they never bother to link it... and i do think if you have kwoledge just spread it... go to the companies and show them the reality, if you are a security research and not a douchbag go the company and show your discoveries, don't publish it for potentialy harmfull use.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

DonFerrari said:
vlad321 said:

TO the bolded. Because they don't know any better either.

Furthermore, the studies i think he linked I know, and specifically the dutch one points out that the economy GROWS because of piracy. Then the Japanese government found out anime piracy increased the market. Meanwhile the others (specifically the US government) kept saying that they just can't find any harm. Not being able to find harm is a result in and of itself, because it shows there is no harm done.

Lastly those "unkown" university wouldn't happen to be the US/dutch/japanese governments, would they? I am also curious what a "known" university is to you and how known/unknown has ANY bearing on scientific data.

The end result is that people have a kneejerk reaction when absolutely ALL studies done have shown that piracy doesn't do harm. It takes a certain amount of close mindedness to keep arguing and believing a point that studies have continuously shown to be faulty.

If they don't know better, any collective of people can try to arrange a meeting to show it... i don't think that mega corporations are dumb and the forum posters are so much better prepared to run bussiness (because if they are they should start their own company to compet... as i think hackers should make theirs console since they are very kwnoledgeable).

The links he provided wasn't from any government, he gave one that was a news report of the suit against piratebay and the other was from a small university that i don't remember the name....

And every time someone say that there are studies they never bother to link it... and i do think if you have kwoledge just spread it... go to the companies and show them the reality, if you are a security research and not a douchbag go the company and show your discoveries, don't publish it for potentialy harmfull use.

Companies don't like having to change business models. Your logic in "why don't they start one" is extremely faulty. I don't wanna start  a company because I find it boring, not intellectually challenging, and not worth the stress of starting one. I'm sure others have other forms of reasons too.

As for the links, there are so many counltess of people who have the the same faulty reasoning as you that I just get tired of having to hunt them down each time. However you are in luck because very recently I had to gather them up again:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3988276



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

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DonFerrari said:
fordy said:
DonFerrari said:
fordy said:
DonFerrari said:
fordy said:
Doobie_wop said:
fordy said:
Doobie_wop said:
ssj12 said:
Doobie_wop said:
ssj12 said:
Doobie_wop said:

We fight for consumer rights!

*Takes down PSN and hurts the service that millions of people use*

We only for fight for some consumer rights that appeal to a minority, every other consumer can go fuck themselves!

Anon and their fans are hypocrits.


sometimes the majority must suffer in-order for change to occur. and if they do what Im thinking they will, it will benefit consumers for a little bit. free content!


Your a fool and I don't think I'm going to talk to someone who is willing to exploit the innocent just so they can get some free games and some internet cred.


Its not about free games or internet cred. its about whats right. I have the right to modify my console, and help others be able to do so. Its like cell phones, they can be legally modified and jackbreak software is regularly available. What is the difference between a console and cell phone in terms of electronics? nothing, they both are specialized computers. So if i can modify my cell phone, I can modify my console. If the instructions to modify more cell phone is online, so should the instructions to modify my console.

This isn't a Civil War, this isn't even a national crisis, this is a bunch of hackers getting pissed off because they can't get what they want. Consumers are happy with what they've got and now the 'freedom fighters' have come along to ruin the services we already have and like. 

You do not get to choose what the rights of millions of people are.

You do not have the right to fight for my rights.

You do not have the right to fight for your rights and act as if your special, knowing that it'll hurt the rights of millions to feel safe and use a good service that they agreed to.

You do have the right to hack your console, but you don't have the right to go on Sonys PSN services or buy any of Sonys games.

You do not have the right to pick and choose between what is right and wrong. Hackers do not make laws, they are meant to follow them.

You do not have the right to take advantage of the innocent bystanders of this situation, which includes developers, other publishers and consumers.

You do not represent me, you do not represent the majority, you do not represent freedom.

 

We are Consumers.

We were happy.

We do not forget

We do not put up with needless bullshit.

Piss off.


I'd like to see some kind of opinion poll where you get your facts from, because it isn't safe to say whether the majority support or oppose this. In fact, I'd be safe to say that the majority are in the "no opinion" category.

So what gives you the right to speak for those people, or lobby that you want corporate crackdown on consumer bought hardware? These people are consumers, too. They bought their PS3, so do not treat them as anyone lower than yourself.

Anyone can say they represent the majority, but unless you can back those words up, it's nothing but hot air.

I'm pretty sure that the majority of PS3 owners who use PSN are going to be pissed off that their service was taken offline, just because a few hackers wanted things their way. If they also felt that Sony was being the big bad world in this situation, then they would have reacted. Sony has done nothing to them, so they have no need to freak out about something this silly, on the other hand though, hackers have taken down their service. Sony does nothing bad, hackers attack the consumers right to go on PSN, I wonder which side they'd choose.

I'm pretty sure the majority of PS3 owners weren't online all at the same time to notice it. Once again, no facts, no persuasion.

They HAVE reacted. These are the consumers you are telling to quote "piss off".

Yeah, Sony are the big, innocent corporation here crying out buttrape. How about this? Instead of banning homebrew PS3s from PSN with extreme predjudice, why not enforce regulation of those consoles who DO cause damage to others? Why not? Because Sony do not wish to spend the money on doing procedures the right way, and are sending their brainwashed followers in to do their lobbying.

There is more than one way around this. Sony chose the 'cheaper, but hurt more of their base' path. And you're complaining when those consumers make a stand against this? That is pathetic.


And why don't hackers ban other hackers that do things go bad??

Can you rephrase that? I've tried to interpret that question in several ways.

You said that Sony took off Other/OS and homebrew along (didn't bothered by the fact that this was done after GeoHotz release of information about being able to hack through other/os) and that they should go after people that are harming then (they are doing this by seing GH did it);

And you said that they took the cheapest route when they should take another measures that involved expending more money (why should anyone be guilty because he doesn't want to expend more money to protect from something that shouldn't be done in the first place)... and I said, if it was a hacker that started the problem and are hackers that are doing things that harms some services and make sony overreact, why other hackers don't fight those??

Never saw any hacker working on a hacking to reestabilish anti-piracy measure on a exploit... didn't saw hackers banning pirates from PSN...

You want sony to solve everything and do it the way you want?? Maybe people could start doing it by themselves, go there and ban the CoD cheaters.


It's not my call on if hackers can do that. But think about this: if the ability to ban others is there to be hacked, wouldn't the possibility for the bad hackers to unban themselves be there? What about the ability for hackers to ban people they just don't like?

Both Microsoft and Nintendo used server-side security with their shops, and both don't care about hacked consoles being online. So why should Sony receive preferential treatment just because they didn't have the insight to do the same thing, and made the stupid mistake that client-side security would never be breached?

 

It's not my call either... but a lot of hackers support put the blame on sony for not being safe enough (as if this wouldn't raise even more attention of hackers that love challenges)... And if they can mod consoles, hack database or whatsoever, they may be able to ban people or at least obtain information and report that person.

And Microsoft cares about hacked consoles online much more than sony as proved by theirs semestral ban-hammer.


That's exactly right! Ban the consoles that do bad things, and not the ones who are hacked for personal homebrew use.

Sony need to look at that example and put it to use.



It's not because they don't know any better.

It's because copyright protection allows them to force people to do things like buy products multiple times,

like Sony's new claims that you have to pay them for cloud services with music.  Apparently it's illegal to copy music you bought to them.

Also things like, forcing people to pay for online season mode and all kinds of other goofy stuff they get away with now.

 

As for the studies I quoted... they actually had a very good number of people in the study, if you think otherwise i'd guess... you have about zero expierence with scientific studies.  Very few studies use more numbers,  and you know... you don't have real studies backing up your point of view... at all.

It's like claiming someone else's shovel is green so it's inferior to dig.... when you don't own a shovel.



Anyone who thinks this is about "freedom" is exetremely ignorant.

Go live in countries were they dont have the right to Free speech,
or they cant maintain a high standard of living because their government isnt willing to give them a choice at what they do with their lives.

These idiots are not "freedom fighters", They are taking away the rights of other people, to benefit their own opinions.
A large majority of the hackers probably have no life, and in any type of court case, or real life argument, could not hold anything against Sony.

I am all for Freedom, but Freedom doesnt go one way, someone else that is free does not have the right to take my choices away. 

You can argue all you like, but these people havent done anything that will harm Sony in the long run.
PSN will stay up, Geo will probably lose the court case, and the hackers will go back to living their unimportant lives.



Smart Men answer questions, Wise men ask questions.
Gamers play games, True Gamers support Gaming

vlad321 said:
DonFerrari said:
vlad321 said:

TO the bolded. Because they don't know any better either.

Furthermore, the studies i think he linked I know, and specifically the dutch one points out that the economy GROWS because of piracy. Then the Japanese government found out anime piracy increased the market. Meanwhile the others (specifically the US government) kept saying that they just can't find any harm. Not being able to find harm is a result in and of itself, because it shows there is no harm done.

Lastly those "unkown" university wouldn't happen to be the US/dutch/japanese governments, would they? I am also curious what a "known" university is to you and how known/unknown has ANY bearing on scientific data.

The end result is that people have a kneejerk reaction when absolutely ALL studies done have shown that piracy doesn't do harm. It takes a certain amount of close mindedness to keep arguing and believing a point that studies have continuously shown to be faulty.

If they don't know better, any collective of people can try to arrange a meeting to show it... i don't think that mega corporations are dumb and the forum posters are so much better prepared to run bussiness (because if they are they should start their own company to compet... as i think hackers should make theirs console since they are very kwnoledgeable).

The links he provided wasn't from any government, he gave one that was a news report of the suit against piratebay and the other was from a small university that i don't remember the name....

And every time someone say that there are studies they never bother to link it... and i do think if you have kwoledge just spread it... go to the companies and show them the reality, if you are a security research and not a douchbag go the company and show your discoveries, don't publish it for potentialy harmfull use.

Companies don't like having to change business models. Your logic in "why don't they start one" is extremely faulty. I don't wanna start  a company because I find it boring, not intellectually challenging, and not worth the stress of starting one. I'm sure others have other forms of reasons too.

As for the links, there are so many counltess of people who have the the same faulty reasoning as you that I just get tired of having to hunt them down each time. However you are in luck because very recently I had to gather them up again:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3988276


So I understand... you have another person or group make a big corporation and them you hit them and harm them because it's to bothersome to invent something by yourself???

Now I'm sure the hackers are just there to make a better world for everyone and bring inovations.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

DonFerrari said:
vlad321 said:
DonFerrari said:
vlad321 said:

TO the bolded. Because they don't know any better either.

Furthermore, the studies i think he linked I know, and specifically the dutch one points out that the economy GROWS because of piracy. Then the Japanese government found out anime piracy increased the market. Meanwhile the others (specifically the US government) kept saying that they just can't find any harm. Not being able to find harm is a result in and of itself, because it shows there is no harm done.

Lastly those "unkown" university wouldn't happen to be the US/dutch/japanese governments, would they? I am also curious what a "known" university is to you and how known/unknown has ANY bearing on scientific data.

The end result is that people have a kneejerk reaction when absolutely ALL studies done have shown that piracy doesn't do harm. It takes a certain amount of close mindedness to keep arguing and believing a point that studies have continuously shown to be faulty.

If they don't know better, any collective of people can try to arrange a meeting to show it... i don't think that mega corporations are dumb and the forum posters are so much better prepared to run bussiness (because if they are they should start their own company to compet... as i think hackers should make theirs console since they are very kwnoledgeable).

The links he provided wasn't from any government, he gave one that was a news report of the suit against piratebay and the other was from a small university that i don't remember the name....

And every time someone say that there are studies they never bother to link it... and i do think if you have kwoledge just spread it... go to the companies and show them the reality, if you are a security research and not a douchbag go the company and show your discoveries, don't publish it for potentialy harmfull use.

Companies don't like having to change business models. Your logic in "why don't they start one" is extremely faulty. I don't wanna start  a company because I find it boring, not intellectually challenging, and not worth the stress of starting one. I'm sure others have other forms of reasons too.

As for the links, there are so many counltess of people who have the the same faulty reasoning as you that I just get tired of having to hunt them down each time. However you are in luck because very recently I had to gather them up again:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3988276


So I understand... you have another person or group make a big corporation and them you hit them and harm them because it's to bothersome to invent something by yourself???

Now I'm sure the hackers are just there to make a better world for everyone and bring inovations.


If what they do harms me, in this case Sony is trying to tell me that I can't do whatever I want and then share that info with anyone else to hardware I paid for, then yes, the ocmpany needs to go to fucking hell.

I also like how you completely, ignore all the other points, and still defend them. Lastly, removing the whole "piracy harms" the entire argument becomes pointless. A hacked PS3 doesn't cause harm, and therefore SONY has absolutely no ground for suing, and therefore they are even MORE wrong.

I also await studies that show me that piracy does indeed do significant harm. Please spare me all the shit that the RIAA/IFPI/MPAA ave put out, because I can link you to several articles that completely destroy those studies as well.



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835