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Should People Take Justice Into Their Own Hands (partocular case)

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And furthermore, I don't need further historical education to respond to what I was responding to.

 

"So you are saying the Christians used violence on Romans? Yeah, that makes sense considering the size and power of Roman Empire back than... And you should know that by conquering the Empreror, Christianity conquerered Rome.  And sorry to dissapoint you, but religion ws a HUGE deal to people back than, probably one of the most important factors of daily life back than. The Jupiter was Roman most prasied God, and they all rejected him and accepted the true God. And do you mind ansvering this question, why did an Empreror turned Christian when  his Empire haunted christians down for decades? It must have been because of the evil christian bastrds brainwashig him, right? It couldnt possibly be that he actually enlightend by our religion."

 

The christians didn't use violence on the romans, that would be dumb. Rather Constantine used violence on romans at the behest of Jesus (according to him anyway), and it worked so well he converted to christianity and then the christians used violence on other christians, and robbed pagan temples before setting up a concrete doctrine that must be obeyed, and all other forms of religion made illegal. Constantine wasn't "enlighted" by christianity, he remained a pagan christian hybrid and integrated paganism into christianity which is still around today in the form of various holidays such as christmas and easter which are pagan christian fusions.

 

Edit: I should note that Constantine didn't invent or personally integrate christmas or easter with pagan traditions, merely the early pagan christian roman fusion sought to appease both christians and pagans and thusly a number of concessions were made to involve pagan practices into christian beliefs.



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The_vagabond7 said:

I know what the links say, I've read all about the history of christianity. It isn't flattering. Constantine didn't need a deity to worship, he had plenty. It was just chance that he ended up going with Yahweh. If he had decided to go with visions of Mars we'd all be martians now, and christianity would be an odd historical footnote. 

 And trying to claim that the christian god was a part of rome becoming a christian empire isn't at all flattering to yahweh, or Jesus. It would imply that he installed a pagan emperor to spearhead his proselytizing initiative  by assisting him in a violent war, convincing him of his power, then he installed the most vile and traitorous of the christians to seats of power, having them violently act out against those that called them out on being traitors to god, then lead to a period of integrating paganism into christianity before installing one of the most powerful, violent and racist organizations in history to have them spend centuries waging brutally violent torturous wars to spread teachings of his grace and love, and also his intense hatred of various groups. I'm failing to see where this is a PR win for the judeo-christian god or jesus.


It is flattering when you think about how they haunted christians down and than later they themselfes became christian. It would be like Nazi Germany becoming jewish. Also, what the hell is yahweh? A jewish God? Dont mix that up. Because romans had much diffrent relations with jews and christians back than...

Anyway, Constanite's mother was also christian and Constantine claimed he saw the icon of Jesus and and a christian cross on the battlefield, so i would say that he was enlightend by God and Jesus Christ. He had no reason to make that stuff up, he didnt need to. He didnt just roll a dice and picked Christian God by an accident. I think something made him choose christianity, which is what i find fascinatig - his soldeirs were killing christians all over Isreal, and than he, the emperor, turns out christian.

And no one argued about the history of Christianity here, we all know some people forced their religion on others. I was just saying how amzaing it is for Christianity to conquer the empire tha tried to whipe it out. And dont try to put his actions as part of history of christianity. Its history isnt about how it was forced on people as many angry  atheists fundamentalists would have you believe. Christianity also didnt spread across europe using only violence. History of Christianity is about Jesus Christ and his teachings. Here is another link that explaines the stuff very well:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_the_Great#Religious_policy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_centers_of_Christianity



The_vagabond7 said:

And furthermore, I don't need further historical education to respond to what I was responding to.

 

"So you are saying the Christians used violence on Romans? Yeah, that makes sense considering the size and power of Roman Empire back than... And you should know that by conquering the Empreror, Christianity conquerered Rome.  And sorry to dissapoint you, but religion ws a HUGE deal to people back than, probably one of the most important factors of daily life back than. The Jupiter was Roman most prasied God, and they all rejected him and accepted the true God. And do you mind ansvering this question, why did an Empreror turned Christian when  his Empire haunted christians down for decades? It must have been because of the evil christian bastrds brainwashig him, right? It couldnt possibly be that he actually enlightend by our religion."

 

The christians didn't use violence on the romans, that would be dumb. Rather Constantine used violence on romans at the behest of Jesus (according to him anyway), and it worked so well he converted to christianity and then the christians used violence on other christians, and robbed pagan temples before setting up a concrete doctrine that must be obeyed, and all other forms of religion made illegal. Constantine wasn't "enlighted" by christianity, he remained a pagan christian hybrid and integrated paganism into christianity which is still around today in the form of various holidays such as christmas and easter which are pagan christian fusions.

 

Edit: I should note that Constantine didn't invent or personally integrate christmas or easter with pagan traditions, merely the early pagan christian roman fusion sought to appease both christians and pagans and thusly a number of concessions were made to involve pagan practices into christian beliefs.


Christmas is a day which celebrates the birth of Jesus Christ, a founder of non-pagan religion, so it might have a pagan date or some pagan similarites but it most certanly is not a pagan holiday. Nowhere in the bibgle does it say when Jesus was born, so the date is irrelevant. Its what is celebrated in christmas what counts. The videos that debunked Zeitgeist explain this much better than me, go look it up on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFI6m6Icav4

 

The first 2-3 minutes are regarding christmas as pagan holiday



endoftheworld166 said:
Tony_Stark said:

I hit no on the poll, just because the justice system is broken does not mean you can just go out and extract revenge on people, that makes you no better than them. If you don't like the system, reform it.

Can't be done, personally I think cops need to shoot child killers and other such horrible beings during the arrest and just say they saw him reaching for a weapon, it's alot better then them going free because their lawyers suppress evidence 

Yes it can, your mentality is exactly why it WONT be done. Also, your thoughts make you no better than the  murderer you condemn. The justice system was set up so people don't go around killing the accused. Because there are cases when the accused really are innocent. 



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Tony_Stark said:
endoftheworld166 said:
Tony_Stark said:

I hit no on the poll, just because the justice system is broken does not mean you can just go out and extract revenge on people, that makes you no better than them. If you don't like the system, reform it.

Can't be done, personally I think cops need to shoot child killers and other such horrible beings during the arrest and just say they saw him reaching for a weapon, it's alot better then them going free because their lawyers suppress evidence 

Yes it can, your mentality is exactly why it WONT be done. Also, your thoughts make you no better than the  murderer you condemn. The justice system was set up so people don't go around killing the accused. Because there are cases when the accused really are innocent. 

there are also cases where the person is undoubtably guilty and gets off when the officer could of just shot them when they caught them red handed 



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endoftheworld166 said:
Tony_Stark said:
endoftheworld166 said:
Tony_Stark said:

I hit no on the poll, just because the justice system is broken does not mean you can just go out and extract revenge on people, that makes you no better than them. If you don't like the system, reform it.

Can't be done, personally I think cops need to shoot child killers and other such horrible beings during the arrest and just say they saw him reaching for a weapon, it's alot better then them going free because their lawyers suppress evidence 

Yes it can, your mentality is exactly why it WONT be done. Also, your thoughts make you no better than the  murderer you condemn. The justice system was set up so people don't go around killing the accused. Because there are cases when the accused really are innocent. 

there are also cases where the person is undoubtably guilty and gets off when the officer could of just shot them when they caught them red handed 

That's irrelevant to the point I was making.



"with great power, comes great responsibility."

Tony_Stark said:
endoftheworld166 said:
Tony_Stark said:
endoftheworld166 said:
Tony_Stark said:

I hit no on the poll, just because the justice system is broken does not mean you can just go out and extract revenge on people, that makes you no better than them. If you don't like the system, reform it.

Can't be done, personally I think cops need to shoot child killers and other such horrible beings during the arrest and just say they saw him reaching for a weapon, it's alot better then them going free because their lawyers suppress evidence 

Yes it can, your mentality is exactly why it WONT be done. Also, your thoughts make you no better than the  murderer you condemn. The justice system was set up so people don't go around killing the accused. Because there are cases when the accused really are innocent. 

there are also cases where the person is undoubtably guilty and gets off when the officer could of just shot them when they caught them red handed 

That's irrelevant to the point I was making.

Meaning if the cops sure he should take the shot, if he's not he shouldn't 



endoftheworld166 said:
Tony_Stark said:
endoftheworld166 said:
Tony_Stark said:
endoftheworld166 said:
Tony_Stark said:

I hit no on the poll, just because the justice system is broken does not mean you can just go out and extract revenge on people, that makes you no better than them. If you don't like the system, reform it.

Can't be done, personally I think cops need to shoot child killers and other such horrible beings during the arrest and just say they saw him reaching for a weapon, it's alot better then them going free because their lawyers suppress evidence 

Yes it can, your mentality is exactly why it WONT be done. Also, your thoughts make you no better than the  murderer you condemn. The justice system was set up so people don't go around killing the accused. Because there are cases when the accused really are innocent. 

there are also cases where the person is undoubtably guilty and gets off when the officer could of just shot them when they caught them red handed 

That's irrelevant to the point I was making.

Meaning if the cops sure he should take the shot, if he's not he shouldn't 

Nope, try again.



"with great power, comes great responsibility."

Tony_Stark said:
endoftheworld166 said:
Tony_Stark said:
endoftheworld166 said:
Tony_Stark said:
endoftheworld166 said:
Tony_Stark said:

I hit no on the poll, just because the justice system is broken does not mean you can just go out and extract revenge on people, that makes you no better than them. If you don't like the system, reform it.

Can't be done, personally I think cops need to shoot child killers and other such horrible beings during the arrest and just say they saw him reaching for a weapon, it's alot better then them going free because their lawyers suppress evidence 

Yes it can, your mentality is exactly why it WONT be done. Also, your thoughts make you no better than the  murderer you condemn. The justice system was set up so people don't go around killing the accused. Because there are cases when the accused really are innocent. 

there are also cases where the person is undoubtably guilty and gets off when the officer could of just shot them when they caught them red handed 

That's irrelevant to the point I was making.

Meaning if the cops sure he should take the shot, if he's not he shouldn't 

Nope, try again.

You obviously have no arguement if you can't back up your views in a hypothetical then it's pretty obvious you are wrong 



pizzahut451 said:


It is flattering when you think about how they haunted christians down and than later they themselfes became christian. It would be like Nazi Germany becoming jewish. Also, what the hell is yahweh? A jewish God? Dont mix that up. Because romans had much diffrent relations with jews and christians back than...

Anyway, Constanite's mother was also christian and Constantine claimed he saw the icon of Jesus and and a christian cross on the battlefield, so i would say that he was enlightend by God and Jesus Christ. He had no reason to make that stuff up, he didnt need to. He didnt just roll a dice and picked Christian God by an accident. I think something made him choose christianity, which is what i find fascinatig - his soldeirs were killing christians all over Isreal, and than he, the emperor, turns out christian.

And no one argued about the history of Christianity here, we all know some people forced their religion on others. I was just saying how amzaing it is for Christianity to conquer the empire tha tried to whipe it out. And dont try to put his actions as part of history of christianity. Its history isnt about how it was forced on people as many angry  atheists fundamentalists would have you believe. Christianity also didnt spread across europe using only violence. History of Christianity is about Jesus Christ and his teachings. Here is another link that explaines the stuff very well:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_the_Great#Religious_policy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_centers_of_Christianity

Yes he did. In case you don't know this people made stuff like that up all the time back then (people still do now).As Vagabond said, it was just chance that he chose Christianity, nothing fascinationg like you want to beleive.

Vagabond did a better job than I could at exposing how vile Christians were, and how the ideea that they "conquered" Rome without violence is a myth (and it's well known how it spread around the rest of Europe). You may want to cover your ears with your hands and go "lalalala", but that's the "glorious" history of your religion: dumb luck, lies, and violence.

P.S.: Both historical and biblical scholars agree that Jesus was born during the summer. Vagabond is also right about why Christmas is celebrated during winter.

 

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