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axt113 said:

^The competition has little effect on Wii sales, the biggest effect on Wii sales is Nintendo itself

Kinect did little tothe Wii, even with its supposedly huge launch and the Wii;s disappointing year in 2010, the Wii easily beat the 360

Nintendo always announces things at E3, so we have no idea how good its lineup is yet

If the market has shifted and other consoles are now the interest, then why is Wii still winning with ease?

 

 

E3 is at the end of the first half of the year, did you read my post? Nintendo seems to be focusing on the last quarter of the year, hence the low sales deriving from the big game drought during the remainder of the year.
Wii is not winning with ease anymore, all 3 consoles were too close during last year, with the holidays making the difference in favor of the Wii. This year sales are even worse than last year so far and there's NOTHING for the first half of the year, I wonder why you expect sales to get better when there's no incentive for new owners to buy a Wii and when there's new things on the market like 3DS and Kinect.

Kinect did take Wii sales away, don't deny that. Wii went from 3.8 million sold in December 2009 in the US to 2.35 million in 2010. Meanwhile X360 on the strength of Kinect and despite shortages managed to increase from 1.3 million in 2009 to 1.85 million in 2010. And it has got to a better start of the year than the Wii in the US. Nintendo even lowered the forecasts by a big 1.5 million, 2 million in total since March 2010. And 3DS is going to take all the Wii's thunder away, you can mark my words.



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^Nintendo always focuses on the holidays, its their big time of the year, and the won by millions, so that is ease.

 

Iagree they should have more for other periods, which is why the shouldn't waste time n games like galaxy and other m

 

Don't be silly, the drop in Wii sales from 2009 to 2010 had nothing to do with Kinect, and everything to do with no NSMB

we need to see how big their lineup out of E3 will be and if they plan on price cutting before saying anything about the end of 2011

 

 



Not very nice to see the Wii dropping so far in sales but it is kind of to be expected. I mean it is still setting a world record pace so i suppose it had to fall. I mean, it is in its 5th year now, so is following a normal console cycle. Also, where sales reached such a high level i suppose it had higher to fall.

I do think that some of the drop off in sales is due to Kinnect as some is also due to reaching saturation points in some areas. I really think Nintendo needs to concentrate on getting the Wii out in some more of the emerging markets. Do you notice the huge potential there? In the weekly sales, the 2nd! biggest market is "EMEAA/others. Do you see the weekly sales for the ps2 there? There must be some markets within that territory that the Wii is yet to be released in. Getting to those markets would undoubtedly extend the life of the Wii.

The one thing that i don't quite understand though, is that, as well as having excellent sales of the Ps2 in those areas, the Ps3 is also doing excellent in those markets. I know it's a whole myriad of different areas and probably a nightmare to track but my take on it is this. There must be some markets within that convuluted mass in which all consoles are available. Some that only Ps2 and PS3 are available and some where only Ps2 is available. I say that because amazing as it is, the PS2 is outselling the Ps3 in that whole area. I can't see Sony cannibalising sales for either console by having 2 gens running concurrently in many areas but i guess, looking at the sales, it must happen in some. Nintendo must get its Wii consoles in more of these largely untapped areas. Then sales may improve a bit but also long-term.



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Squilliam said:
Smashchu2 said:

Which would only be more reason to drop the line all together. It's not making the company money. All it is doing is taking the profits of the other departments and eating it all away, lowing their net income.

Nintendo, with less assets compaired to Sony, would be better off trying to increase sales of the Wii and release bigger software rather than spend much more resources to make a new system and hope it has the same success as the Wii. With a company who only makes games, launching a console is risky. Again, the reason they would rather try to increase Wii sales rather than to bet the farm on a new system, especially when 2009 has shown potential for the Wii and the software does amazingly well.




Increasing the sales of a console after it closes in on 100M sales is easier said than done. Theres a reason why new consoles are released because saturation is one of the hardest things to fight in any industry. At this point it is the only realistic way they'll increase their console revenue to 2008 levels.

Nintendo's mission, as they have set forth for the Wii and DS, is to grow gaming. In this sense, Nintendo would see no limit or saturation. If you watch the Investor Breifing, you would see that the reason for low sales, from Nintendo's mouth, is a lack of software. The Wii sold 4 million in a month in Dec 09. Nintendo knows that they will increase Wii sales if they have the software to support it. This is why, in their data analysis, it was all about software.

As for Sony, well, they probably will make more money going forward if they continue the PS3 line than if they released a new console or exited the console market. All things relative Sony will be better off keeping the PS3 going whilst Nintendo will probably only improve their fortunes with a new console.

Typically, in a decision making scenario, the decision is based on two alternative. In this case, it is not "Make a new system or keep the old one," but "Keep the brand or discontinue it." The Playstation brand has lost almost as much as it has made, and shows no signs of stopping. Of course, Sony keeps going (I expect the reason is because they expect to make money on it soon).

I see bad analysis thrown here too much. People think that if revenue is down "Well, then they should just make a new system." No actual thought goes into these thinkings as that would require a lot of time and money to invest, and it could also bust (like the GC before and the PS3 and 360 now). Making a new system when sales is down is bad business. This is why Nintendo's answer to slumping sales is, as they have said themselves, to make software (ask your self, outside of Donkey Kong Country Returns, what game was going to push software?). Anyone who has seen this business long enough knows people buy systems for games, so the answer to cure slumping sales would be obvious.



Smashchu2 said:
Squilliam said:



Increasing the sales of a console after it closes in on 100M sales is easier said than done. Theres a reason why new consoles are released because saturation is one of the hardest things to fight in any industry. At this point it is the only realistic way they'll increase their console revenue to 2008 levels.

1. Nintendo's mission, as they have set forth for the Wii and DS, is to grow gaming. In this sense, Nintendo would see no limit or saturation. If you watch the Investor Breifing, you would see that the reason for low sales, from Nintendo's mouth, is a lack of software. The Wii sold 4 million in a month in Dec 09. Nintendo knows that they will increase Wii sales if they have the software to support it. This is why, in their data analysis, it was all about software.

As for Sony, well, they probably will make more money going forward if they continue the PS3 line than if they released a new console or exited the console market. All things relative Sony will be better off keeping the PS3 going whilst Nintendo will probably only improve their fortunes with a new console.

2. Typically, in a decision making scenario, the decision is based on two alternative. In this case, it is not "Make a new system or keep the old one," but "Keep the brand or discontinue it." The Playstation brand has lost almost as much as it has made, and shows no signs of stopping. Of course, Sony keeps going (I expect the reason is because they expect to make money on it soon).

I see bad analysis thrown here too much. People think that if revenue is down "Well, then they should just make a new system." No actual thought goes into these thinkings as that would require a lot of time and money to invest, and it could also bust (like the GC before and the PS3 and 360 now). Making a new system when sales is down is bad business. This is why Nintendo's answer to slumping sales is, as they have said themselves, to make software (ask your self, outside of Donkey Kong Country Returns, what game was going to push software?). Anyone who has seen this business long enough knows people buy systems for games, so the answer to cure slumping sales would be obvious.

1. Theoretically Microsoft could sell one copy of Windows to every man, woman and child on the planet too.

2. How much the brand is worth is not the same as how much money they have made with products attached to the brand. The brand is worth billions, the losses are as inconsequential to Sony when deciding on what to do with their console business moving forward.



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TheGameFather said:

Maybe I wasn't the only one who lost interest in Wii when Nintendo decided not to support Motion Plus...

 

 

But yeah no doomage, just a slightly less stelar year.

Not like anyone expected they would, it hasn't happened before and it won't happen in the future. Like that vitality sensor, won't be supported.



Squilliam said:
Smashchu2 said:
Squilliam said:



Increasing the sales of a console after it closes in on 100M sales is easier said than done. Theres a reason why new consoles are released because saturation is one of the hardest things to fight in any industry. At this point it is the only realistic way they'll increase their console revenue to 2008 levels.

1. Nintendo's mission, as they have set forth for the Wii and DS, is to grow gaming. In this sense, Nintendo would see no limit or saturation. If you watch the Investor Breifing, you would see that the reason for low sales, from Nintendo's mouth, is a lack of software. The Wii sold 4 million in a month in Dec 09. Nintendo knows that they will increase Wii sales if they have the software to support it. This is why, in their data analysis, it was all about software.

As for Sony, well, they probably will make more money going forward if they continue the PS3 line than if they released a new console or exited the console market. All things relative Sony will be better off keeping the PS3 going whilst Nintendo will probably only improve their fortunes with a new console.

2. Typically, in a decision making scenario, the decision is based on two alternative. In this case, it is not "Make a new system or keep the old one," but "Keep the brand or discontinue it." The Playstation brand has lost almost as much as it has made, and shows no signs of stopping. Of course, Sony keeps going (I expect the reason is because they expect to make money on it soon).

I see bad analysis thrown here too much. People think that if revenue is down "Well, then they should just make a new system." No actual thought goes into these thinkings as that would require a lot of time and money to invest, and it could also bust (like the GC before and the PS3 and 360 now). Making a new system when sales is down is bad business. This is why Nintendo's answer to slumping sales is, as they have said themselves, to make software (ask your self, outside of Donkey Kong Country Returns, what game was going to push software?). Anyone who has seen this business long enough knows people buy systems for games, so the answer to cure slumping sales would be obvious.

1. Theoretically Microsoft could sell one copy of Windows to every man, woman and child on the planet too.

2. How much the brand is worth is not the same as how much money they have made with products attached to the brand. The brand is worth billions, the losses are as inconsequential to Sony when deciding on what to do with their console business moving forward.

I think your missing the point here.

1)This is irrelevant as we are talking about Nintendo and their business goals. Not Microsoft. Microsoft makes their money by selling to computer manufactures. Nintendo's goal is to expand gaming. Even so, you forget the truth that it's risky to release a new system and with the 3DS, they are already putting a lot on the table. There is no gaurentee that old users will take up the new system as the PS3 is evidence of that.

2)Brands are a lable of the product; it's the product that makes the money. The Gameboy was a strong brand, but was discontinued for the sake of the DS. The worth of the brand is the worth of the product. You could tell Sony investors "It's OK that the PS3 is losing the company money because the brand is worth so much." They care that their investment is growing. They don't give two licks about how good that brand is if the product is a money hole and throwing away the investment they made. They would be more inclined to kill it as all it's doing is eating away the money they made.

The problem here is that your responses have little to do with cash flows and earnings. Brands are nice and all, but how good is that if the finacials don't show a gain and their is no growth from that brand. Sure, a new console would increase revenue (as releasing a new product does), but it doesn't take in the risk factors of doing such a thing.



axt113 said:

^Nintendo always focuses on the holidays, its their big time of the year, and the won by millions, so that is ease.

 

Iagree they should have more for other periods, which is why the shouldn't waste time n games like galaxy and other m

 

Don't be silly, the drop in Wii sales from 2009 to 2010 had nothing to do with Kinect, and everything to do with no NSMB

we need to see how big their lineup out of E3 will be and if they plan on price cutting before saying anything about the end of 2011

 

 

I'm not gonna bother with you anymore, your responses are piss poor, not worth my time as you don't address my points and keep on talking to yourself.



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Smashchu2 said:
Squilliam said:

1. Theoretically Microsoft could sell one copy of Windows to every man, woman and child on the planet too.

2. How much the brand is worth is not the same as how much money they have made with products attached to the brand. The brand is worth billions, the losses are as inconsequential to Sony when deciding on what to do with their console business moving forward.

I think your missing the point here.

1)This is irrelevant as we are talking about Nintendo and their business goals. Not Microsoft. Microsoft makes their money by selling to computer manufactures. Nintendo's goal is to expand gaming. Even so, you forget the truth that it's risky to release a new system and with the 3DS, they are already putting a lot on the table. There is no gaurentee that old users will take up the new system as the PS3 is evidence of that.

2)Brands are a lable of the product; it's the product that makes the money. The Gameboy was a strong brand, but was discontinued for the sake of the DS. The worth of the brand is the worth of the product. You could tell Sony investors "It's OK that the PS3 is losing the company money because the brand is worth so much." They care that their investment is growing. They don't give two licks about how good that brand is if the product is a money hole and throwing away the investment they made. They would be more inclined to kill it as all it's doing is eating away the money they made.

The problem here is that your responses have little to do with cash flows and earnings. Brands are nice and all, but how good is that if the finacials don't show a gain and their is no growth from that brand. Sure, a new console would increase revenue (as releasing a new product does), but it doesn't take in the risk factors of doing such a thing.

1. No their goal is to make a profit, the expansion of gaming is one means to that end. Whilst there is no assurance, the PS2 proved that you can sell two systems at a rapid rate at the same time. They would do well with a high selling $299 console as well as a cheaper $149 console. It is just as risky to not act as it is risky to act in many cases. Given the relative sales positions, the current console balance is tipping against Nintendo in terms of both profit and market share, the status quo is not a good position for Nintendo's own sustained profit, let alone trying to grow that profit in the home console market.

2. Sony obviously crossed that bridge back in 2007 when they cut the price and took on even greater losses. What you think about their decision is irrelevant given only Sony really know what goals and information they based their decision on.



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@stopstopp why would Ninty not support a product that can only make the game experience better??? If they have no plans of supporting it why include one with every Wii and why spend money on making Wiimotes with built in WM functionality??? Im a perfect world Ninty would have been got off their ass and support motion but the way they've been with their add-ons ive lost hope