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Diomedes1976 said:
The gap between NPD and VGC data for the 360 is starting to become huge.Nearly two million that Canada data cant compensate.France sales should be changed too.

2M? Where did you get that number from? Do you have a link?



PSN ID: krik

Optimistic predictions for 2008 (Feb 5 2008): Wii = 20M, PS3 = 14M, X360 = 9.5M

 

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mrstickball said:
....He came up with it because in his mind, the X360 is always overtracked, and always needs to have it's numbers lowered until the PS3 wins. Simple as that.

It's hard to just say "oh wowie, I see a number that says the X360 is overtracked in country X in month Y, ioi needs to change it, stat".

The fact is, ioi has analyized, and worked with these numbers and extrapolations to get where he's at. His accuracy has been ALOT better, and I don't think he's going to change numbers based on a few new posters, and very biased posters, mere 2 cents. It doesn't work that way. ioi has ALOT more people to please than the 2-3 people that bemoan him about a system being overtracked.

Were the X360/Wii a bit overtracked in NA for the month vs. NPD? Absolutely. However, ioi has got to the point that he can be allowed about 5% per month until hardware shipments come out. Thats the key issue: he can't track sales over what h/w shipments in a given area are stated as. Therefore, it can take upto 3 months, or even more before sales are "fully" reigned in. The X360 was greatly this case earlier this year: it hovered around the 10m sold mark for what seemed to be like 2 months, because European data was overtracked. ioi only corrected it when he could actually find HARD PROOF that data was incorrect from multiple, verifiable sources.

He doesn't have that with Euro-data at the moment. All he has is a few Sony quotes here, GFK data there, and his own numbers he's using. Compiling the data to be accurate takes time, and it has no bias. Diomedes, you really, really should try to earn some respect, and not harp on European PS3 or X360 sales every chance you get. You do it all the time and it gets old, bud.

I agree with ioi and his way of doing his estimates but I don't agree he adjusts 360 data up based on some announcement from MS for Thanksgiving weekly sales and then does nothing about Sony/Nintendo announcements. He should not have changed his numbers based on MS announcement if he is not willing to adjust based on other announcements.

But like you just said, the 360 data was overing the 10M for 2 months because it was way over estimated earlier. I believe the same is happening now and I guess we will see the 360 overing the 15-16M mark for another 2 months.

BTW: Does ioi adjust the data one a year or every quarter?



PSN ID: krik

Optimistic predictions for 2008 (Feb 5 2008): Wii = 20M, PS3 = 14M, X360 = 9.5M

 

@krik... first of all, ignore whatever Diomedes says unless it has a varifyable source and link, or is not to dowith sales numbers.

Secondly... the numbers get adjusted whenever they need to be, which is not now for American numbers.... but if you can find a decent source with a date for the 500k of 360s, then it could be soon for France.



You use info from sony?.......
You do understand sony goes by shipped to retailers? The only thing i can see a change possibly in is the france, but that would be most likely 100k at most, if you want to make such a huge deal over..... and we dont even have confirmation



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TWRoO said:
@krik... first of all, ignore whatever Diomedes says unless it has a varifyable source and link, or is not to dowith sales numbers.

Secondly... the numbers get adjusted whenever they need to be, which is not now for American numbers.... but if you can find a decent source with a date for the 500k of 360s, then it could be soon for France.

Well, it was an interview with the head of MS France in the Les Echos newspaper so I have no links besides what you can find on the Internet about the article.

Anyway it really does not matter. I just wanted to know how/when adjustments are made. Everyone here seems to think I'm pressing ioi to change his data but I have no such intentions. So let's just let this thread die unless someone can actually answer the real question.



PSN ID: krik

Optimistic predictions for 2008 (Feb 5 2008): Wii = 20M, PS3 = 14M, X360 = 9.5M

 

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Oh ok.

but I already answered your question.... ioi updates when it is needed.
There are often small adjustments made each week, usually to Europe numbers as they are difficult.



TWRoO said:
Oh ok.

but I already answered your question.... ioi updates when it is needed.
There are often small adjustments made each week, usually to Europe numbers as they are difficult.

 Does ioi update data based on quarterly earning reports from MS, Sony and Nintendo?



PSN ID: krik

Optimistic predictions for 2008 (Feb 5 2008): Wii = 20M, PS3 = 14M, X360 = 9.5M

 

Yes if he sees the need.
Bare in mind the company fiscals only provide retail sales. So there has to be something hugely wrong.... like last quarter ioi still adjusted for NPD, and had kept adjusting the DS down to tie-in with NPD.... but when the quarterly came in it was clear NPD was way to conservative because it seemed to indicate over 1million DS on shelves in America.
This meant ioi adjusted DS back up to better coincide with the quarterly statement.



krik said:
TWRoO said:
Oh ok.

but I already answered your question.... ioi updates when it is needed.
There are often small adjustments made each week, usually to Europe numbers as they are difficult.

Does ioi update data based on quarterly earning reports from MS, Sony and Nintendo?


Yes, he does. When it comes to software he updates those based on data he gets directly from the publisher (if it's different than NPD he asks the publisher).



As I understand, ioi will adjusts software sales for all regions in light of data released from retailers and/or publishers, and he will adjust European hardware. That is all.

NA numbers and Japan numbers will not be adjusted.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

And yes, always ask Diomedes for his sources