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Untamoi on 16 December 2007
Kasz216 said:
routsounmanman said:
Kasz216 said:
routsounmanman said:
I think piracy hurts these games way more than scary system requirements; UT will sell way better on Xbox360/PS3.

Yeah, cause people are going to spend hundreds and hundreds of dollars to get a PC that can run Crysis and then not spend 50 dollars for the game. The people who pirate games usually are the people who can't afford gaming rigs or the people who won't spend money on gaming rigs.

As sad as it might sound, it's true. People give away $600 for the latest nVidia/Ati GPU because they think it's worth it and they don't have much choice; there are no pirated, $200 equally powerful GPUs. That's not the case with the games, though. Most people think "heck, it's the same thing and it's some much less expensive".

Hardware consumer behavior is totally different than the software one.


True... based on what? All the pirating studies i've seen has shown that piracy doesn't hurt sales and infact some studies show it can have mild positive effects.

I know several PC players 2-3000 dollar gaming rigs which never buys any games. This is very common among PC players actually. PC users could use thousands of dollars for hardware and not pay anything for software (including Windows). This is partly because you can find any software in the world from P2P within couple of minutes, even those which hasn't been officially released yet.

Piratism is much more common among PC users than console users anyway. And this has been proven several times in several studies. Even most small companies use at least some pirated software on their PC's.



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leo-j on 16 December 2007
Griffin said:
If Crysis came to the console could they not just use the HDD to make the game load and play better, RFoM has over 200mb on the HDD and Ratchet has over 500mb.

 

They can also use the 30gigs of space left in the bluray disc.

 

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Mummelmann on 16 December 2007
gamingdevil said:
Mummelmann said:
konnichiwa said:
I think this game will have legs..

Like people say the system requirements are high but when time pass more more people have systems that can play this game on normal system requirements;

This game doesn't deserve to sell well imo, and Crytek will learn a valuable lesson from all this; it's more important to impress hardcore PC gamers (which are well accustomed to good shooters) by making a fantastic game rather than impress hardware geeks by releasing a piece of software that cannot be properly run on any rig on the planet...


What?A friend got a new PC Intel Core2Duo @ 3GHz with an 8800GT and 2Gb RAM and we could play the game at Very High settings with a respectable 30fps, and at High around 45-50fps. So i don't think there is no PC that can play Crysis.


 I play on a Core2Duo @ 2.93 GhZ and 2 GB of RAM, ATi X1950XTX 512 and I only get semi decent FPS on medium settings and 2X AA... I'm pretty sure you can't run Crysis max on a rig like that, would've been with no Bloom, AA or HDR in any case, those are the real showstoppers in most engines.



Kasz216 on 16 December 2007
Untamoi said:
Kasz216 said:
routsounmanman said:
Kasz216 said:
routsounmanman said:
I think piracy hurts these games way more than scary system requirements; UT will sell way better on Xbox360/PS3.

Yeah, cause people are going to spend hundreds and hundreds of dollars to get a PC that can run Crysis and then not spend 50 dollars for the game. The people who pirate games usually are the people who can't afford gaming rigs or the people who won't spend money on gaming rigs.

As sad as it might sound, it's true. People give away $600 for the latest nVidia/Ati GPU because they think it's worth it and they don't have much choice; there are no pirated, $200 equally powerful GPUs. That's not the case with the games, though. Most people think "heck, it's the same thing and it's some much less expensive".

Hardware consumer behavior is totally different than the software one.


True... based on what? All the pirating studies i've seen has shown that piracy doesn't hurt sales and infact some studies show it can have mild positive effects.

I know several PC players 2-3000 dollar gaming rigs which never buys any games. This is very common among PC players actually. PC users could use thousands of dollars for hardware and not pay anything for software (including Windows). This is partly because you can find any software in the world from P2P within couple of minutes, even those which hasn't been officially released yet.

Piratism is much more common among PC users than console users anyway. And this has been proven several times in several studies. Even most small companies use at least some pirated software on their PC's.


Yeah, that's not a real study. A real study would deal with what companies would actually do if pirated software didn't exist. In the case of small buisnesses they would just switch to linux and use their "pretender" programs, they just don't have the money to buy a seat liscense for 3,000 computers. Also, it's great you know a couple people that have expensive computers but they pirate games... but it's not as common as you think. Or so the studys i've read on it shows. Previous studies have shown that P2P usage did not actually impact purchasing habits at all. Or atleast they couldn't distinguish it from zero by disproving their null hypothisis. I also know plenty of people who have bought more games because they've played previous games pirated and enjoyed the genre.

Mummelmann on 16 December 2007
Kasz216 said:
Untamoi said:
Kasz216 said:
routsounmanman said:
Kasz216 said:
routsounmanman said:
I think piracy hurts these games way more than scary system requirements; UT will sell way better on Xbox360/PS3.

Yeah, cause people are going to spend hundreds and hundreds of dollars to get a PC that can run Crysis and then not spend 50 dollars for the game. The people who pirate games usually are the people who can't afford gaming rigs or the people who won't spend money on gaming rigs.

As sad as it might sound, it's true. People give away $600 for the latest nVidia/Ati GPU because they think it's worth it and they don't have much choice; there are no pirated, $200 equally powerful GPUs. That's not the case with the games, though. Most people think "heck, it's the same thing and it's some much less expensive".

Hardware consumer behavior is totally different than the software one.


True... based on what? All the pirating studies i've seen has shown that piracy doesn't hurt sales and infact some studies show it can have mild positive effects.

I know several PC players 2-3000 dollar gaming rigs which never buys any games. This is very common among PC players actually. PC users could use thousands of dollars for hardware and not pay anything for software (including Windows). This is partly because you can find any software in the world from P2P within couple of minutes, even those which hasn't been officially released yet.

Piratism is much more common among PC users than console users anyway. And this has been proven several times in several studies. Even most small companies use at least some pirated software on their PC's.


Yeah, that's not a real study. A real study would deal with what companies would actually do if pirated software didn't exist. In the case of small buisnesses they would just switch to linux and use their "pretender" programs, they just don't have the money to buy a seat liscense for 3,000 computers. Also, it's great you know a couple people that have expensive computers but they pirate games... but it's not as common as you think. Or so the studys i've read on it shows. Previous studies have shown that P2P usage did not actually impact purchasing habits at all. Or atleast they couldn't distinguish it from zero by disproving their null hypothisis. I also know plenty of people who have bought more games because they've played previous games pirated and enjoyed the genre.

 Contrary to popular belief, in the music department; those who download illegal mp3's buy almost 3 times more music in retail stores on average... I've done this myself, sample the album on the web and then purchase it if it's any good. If it sucks, I'll have saved myself the grievance of owning a crap CD.



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ssj12 on 16 December 2007
Mummelmann said:
gamingdevil said:
Mummelmann said:
konnichiwa said:
I think this game will have legs..

Like people say the system requirements are high but when time pass more more people have systems that can play this game on normal system requirements;

This game doesn't deserve to sell well imo, and Crytek will learn a valuable lesson from all this; it's more important to impress hardcore PC gamers (which are well accustomed to good shooters) by making a fantastic game rather than impress hardware geeks by releasing a piece of software that cannot be properly run on any rig on the planet...


What?A friend got a new PC Intel Core2Duo @ 3GHz with an 8800GT and 2Gb RAM and we could play the game at Very High settings with a respectable 30fps, and at High around 45-50fps. So i don't think there is no PC that can play Crysis.


I play on a Core2Duo @ 2.93 GhZ and 2 GB of RAM, ATi X1950XTX 512 and I only get semi decent FPS on medium settings and 2X AA... I'm pretty sure you can't run Crysis max on a rig like that, would've been with no Bloom, AA or HDR in any case, those are the real showstoppers in most engines.


 upgrade your video cards, thats all thats holding you back. 



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Lost tears of Kain on 16 December 2007
MikeB said:
Epic's Mark Rein recently stated, it's

"less and less economically viable to do the super high-end stuff" on the PC.

Rein also thinks Crysis is about as good as it will get on the PC for a very long time to come. Crytek has been looking to hire PS3 developers.

then they are planning to bring it to ps3 and port it to 360 since that stuff is easier that way instead of 360 to ps3



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Mummelmann on 16 December 2007
ssj12 said:
Mummelmann said:
gamingdevil said:
Mummelmann said:
konnichiwa said:
I think this game will have legs..

Like people say the system requirements are high but when time pass more more people have systems that can play this game on normal system requirements;

This game doesn't deserve to sell well imo, and Crytek will learn a valuable lesson from all this; it's more important to impress hardcore PC gamers (which are well accustomed to good shooters) by making a fantastic game rather than impress hardware geeks by releasing a piece of software that cannot be properly run on any rig on the planet...


What?A friend got a new PC Intel Core2Duo @ 3GHz with an 8800GT and 2Gb RAM and we could play the game at Very High settings with a respectable 30fps, and at High around 45-50fps. So i don't think there is no PC that can play Crysis.


I play on a Core2Duo @ 2.93 GhZ and 2 GB of RAM, ATi X1950XTX 512 and I only get semi decent FPS on medium settings and 2X AA... I'm pretty sure you can't run Crysis max on a rig like that, would've been with no Bloom, AA or HDR in any case, those are the real showstoppers in most engines.


upgrade your video cards, thats all thats holding you back.


 My best friend has a similar setup, only with a Core2Quad @ 2.67 and an 8800 GTS 712, he still can't get it above 20 FPS with 4X AA and full HDR effects on...

How's your rig btw? You're mainly a PC gamer like me so far as I know. 



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gamingdevil on 16 December 2007
Mummelmann said:
gamingdevil said:
Mummelmann said:
konnichiwa said:
I think this game will have legs..

Like people say the system requirements are high but when time pass more more people have systems that can play this game on normal system requirements;

This game doesn't deserve to sell well imo, and Crytek will learn a valuable lesson from all this; it's more important to impress hardcore PC gamers (which are well accustomed to good shooters) by making a fantastic game rather than impress hardware geeks by releasing a piece of software that cannot be properly run on any rig on the planet...


What?A friend got a new PC Intel Core2Duo @ 3GHz with an 8800GT and 2Gb RAM and we could play the game at Very High settings with a respectable 30fps, and at High around 45-50fps. So i don't think there is no PC that can play Crysis.


I play on a Core2Duo @ 2.93 GhZ and 2 GB of RAM, ATi X1950XTX 512 and I only get semi decent FPS on medium settings and 2X AA... I'm pretty sure you can't run Crysis max on a rig like that, would've been with no Bloom, AA or HDR in any case, those are the real showstoppers in most engines.


I just stated what i've seen with my own eyes. I have completely no reason to lie and as ssj12 said your video card needs an upgrade ^^