redspear said: Weebs said: 1st) You can't compare Jesus to Hitler just because of what his followers did. Let me ask you, if they REALLY were his followers (Christians) why would they kill innocents then ? Besides, I can say the same for Stalin and how he killed more than Hitler and therefor, since Stalin is Atheist then it must be all Atheisms fault. No.. The responsibility lies with the person themselves, not someone or something else. That's like assuming someone who played GTA is gonna be a murderer. 2nd) I had a feeling this thread was gonna explode, lol. But all ya guys gotta respect eachothers opinions, sure you may not give a damn for Christ but he means a lot to some people. And to others, don't get too offended. That's all. Well as far as hitler and stalin are concerned it really has nothing to do with that. I didn't even make that comparision. If you ask me most violence that stems out of christianity comes from the way Constatine established a "universal church" and previously the roman empire's handling of a new, yet very segmented, religion. Most hypocrisy of christianity comesout of an unwarranted percieved strictness that really isn't there.   I just feel there is no reason to eb offended by this video or any others or anything else that anybody does regarding (your religion) because in the end it is a personal venture.   BTW there is not much proof outside of the New testament for the existence of Jesus. He is breifly mentioned in the Antiquities of the Jews some 100 years later and supposedly mentioned without any distinction(i.e. he had no name and no descriptionother than a guy icausing trouble in all of 2 sentences). He may have been mentioned in the Babylon talmuds but than again the only guy in the talmuds who had apostles only had 5 and was hung for burning meat in public. It is something that we take on faith. He came from a time when there are many prophets, some people believe that hte Jesus you read about todayis a conglamorate of all those people. So don't get mad when people call Jesus fictional it is just part of life. Most of the New testament was pieced together by a council of men who added and subtracted books ot fit the story they wanted to tell a few hundred years later.

 Ok 'm sorry but this is complete BS. You think hundreds of Christians were persecuted, tortured and killed for someone that didn't exist? That's just ingnorant foolishness. You honestly believe that people (who lived within 10 years after the Christ's death) would get themselves massacred for someone was never real? That's just dumb. How could you believe that. That's just illogical.

When people call Christ Jesus fictional, that would be the hieght of ignorance, and (i believe) they people who fell victim to the ultimate herecies of Satan himself. 

you speak of having a respect of other's beliefs and lack of beliefs. you show no respect for those that do believe in something like Christ. don't sit there and tell me to respect your right to make obscene comments about my faith. i don't even know what yours is, so believe what you will. that DOESN'T give you the right to say it is ok for someone to be crucified on the cross, or laugh at a videogame depicting that.

Hitler ordered people to die in mass graves. Jesus did not. It is funny how threads like this one turn into stupidity. I guess it does point out how crazy and dumb people are in society today. What can ya do I guess, people will say things they believe no matter how idiotic they are.

rickthestick2 said: redspear said: BTW there is not much proof outside of the New testament for the existence of Jesus. He is breifly mentioned in the Antiquities of the Jews some 100 years later and supposedly mentioned without any distinction(i.e. he had no name and no descriptionother than a guy icausing trouble in all of 2 sentences). He may have been mentioned in the Babylon talmuds but than again the only guy in the talmuds who had apostles only had 5 and was hung for burning meat in public. It is something that we take on faith. He came from a time when there are many prophets, some people believe that hte Jesus you read about todayis a conglamorate of all those people. So don't get mad when people call Jesus fictional it is just part of life. Most of the New testament was pieced together by a council of men who added and subtracted books ot fit the story they wanted to tell a few hundred years later.  Ok 'm sorry but this is complete BS. You think hundreds of Christians were persecuted, tortured and killed for someone that didn't exist? That's just ingnorant foolishness. You honestly believe that people (who lived within 10 years after the Christ's death) would get themselves massacred for someone was never real? That's just dumb. How could you believe that. That's just illogical. When people call Christ Jesus fictional, that would be the hieght of ignorance, and (i believe) they people who fell victim to the ultimate herecies of Satan himself.

When I said there is little evidence for the existence of Jesus I was refering to non christian sources. There are several possibilities in the Talmuds(the history of the Jews) but none that fit perfectly or close enough to say for certain which Yeshu or Yeshua it is. He is mentioned in the Antiquities of the Jews but that was one hundred years later. The majority of the evidence we have is the actual testemants which were written years later and by different people. In fact out of those Paul never even met the man. Tehre were many people claiming to be a messiah at the time. If there is a plethoria of evidence that is from a non christian source than please show me. You may find this hard to beleive but I am christian I am a quaker and have gone to Catholic, Jewish and Friends school. I have studied the bible I have had assitance understanding teh translations of the bible and have developed my understanding over the past 20 years. I do not believe that people who call Jesus fall victim to the Herecies of Satan. I just believe they don't believe he was real. In fact it is this type of Satan mongering as you will which disturbs me about many christian religions.

Aw come on guys, save some for me. I love this video it's hilarious I love it I love it I love get mad at me plzmkthx.

redspear said: Weebs said: 1st) You can't compare Jesus to Hitler just because of what his followers did. Let me ask you, if they REALLY were his followers (Christians) why would they kill innocents then ? Besides, I can say the same for Stalin and how he killed more than Hitler and therefor, since Stalin is Atheist then it must be all Atheisms fault. No.. The responsibility lies with the person themselves, not someone or something else. That's like assuming someone who played GTA is gonna be a murderer. 2nd) I had a feeling this thread was gonna explode, lol. But all ya guys gotta respect eachothers opinions, sure you may not give a damn for Christ but he means a lot to some people. And to others, don't get too offended. That's all. Well as far as hitler and stalin are concerned it really has nothing to do with that. I didn't even make that comparision. If you ask me most violence that stems out of christianity comes from the way Constatine established a "universal church" and previously the roman empire's handling of a new, yet very segmented, religion. Most hypocrisy of christianity comesout of an unwarranted percieved strictness that really isn't there.   I just feel there is no reason to eb offended by this video or any others or anything else that anybody does regarding (your religion) because in the end it is a personal venture.   BTW there is not much proof outside of the New testament for the existence of Jesus. He is breifly mentioned in the Antiquities of the Jews some 100 years later and supposedly mentioned without any distinction(i.e. he had no name and no descriptionother than a guy icausing trouble in all of 2 sentences). He may have been mentioned in the Babylon talmuds but than again the only guy in the talmuds who had apostles only had 5 and was hung for burning meat in public. It is something that we take on faith. He came from a time when there are many prophets, some people believe that hte Jesus you read about todayis a conglamorate of all those people. So don't get mad when people call Jesus fictional it is just part of life. Most of the New testament was pieced together by a council of men who added and subtracted books ot fit the story they wanted to tell a few hundred years later.

Just do me a favor redspear, without shoving beliefs in other peoples mouths (lol like religions..jk) and without giving everyone the details about how Christ isn't real or how much more you know about him or how they are foolish for even believing in that because you're right and they are wrong.. etc... It almost sounds like your prepared to take on anyones belief in Christ... but...

I don't even know where to begin with this thread, or even if i should bother, but what teh hell, lets go.

First off, i watched this at Wiifanboy.com. it was amusing, though definitely weird. In and of itself, I don't really find it insulting, but it does seem to have been marked as fodder for people to use to heckle christians.

Second of all, people calling Jesus a fictional character need help. Even if there is little evidence outside of christian sources, that's still a ridiculous reason to doubt its authenticity. Whose lives did jesus affect, christians, who's gonna remember him? Christians.

He didn't go out and conqure the world or level cities or anything. Nonchristians didn't really have a reason to remember him, and those nonchristians who did have a reason, usually had more of a reason to try to refuse to acknowledge him. To say that this is all just a big conspiracy, then you might as well keep going and believe that we never landed on the moon and 9/11 was actually caused by GW Bush.

Lets see you try to prove that Neil Armstrong actually existed 200 years from now. I bet you won't even have a degree in fungineering by then.

 

Third of all, comparing Hitler to Jesus is like comparing biological weapons to a vaccine. Sure, you can wind up with a bunch of people that go around stabbing everyone with the vaccination needles, but that doesn't suddenly change it from a vaccine to a biological weapon. Am I saying the crusades didn't happen? No. But I don't recall Jesus being around to give his mein fuhur speech to the masses.

It's all politics. Religion has just been USED as an excuse to get people to follow blindly. Same is true for any group with any beliefs; the Nazis, the terrorists with the Koran, Environmentalists, PETA, Feminists and the like. This doesn't mean that this is the purpose of religion, but merely that it can be exploited. However to place the blame for this exploitation squarely on religion itself is utter nonsense.

 

Fourth point, Jesus died as a pact. He was God's son, who was born for the purpose of making physical the contract between God and humanity, signifying that the sins gathered over our lifetime could be repented for, thus allowing us entry into heaven, rather than dooming us to hell simply because we made a few mistakes.

 

that should cover the baic logical falacies I've seen. the one problem that irritates me so much are people that pull up all these facts that supposedly prove Jesus or God doesn't exist, but when it comes right down to it, their logic has about 500 holes in it. 

"Fourth point, Jesus died as a pact. He was God's son, who was born for the purpose of making physical the contract between God and humanity, signifying that the sins gathered over our lifetime could be repented for, thus allowing us entry into heaven, rather than dooming us to hell simply because we made a few mistakes"

hahahaha you tool. Think for yourself, don't believe fairy tales.

999301573 said: "Fourth point, Jesus died as a pact. He was God's son, who was born for the purpose of making physical the contract between God and humanity, signifying that the sins gathered over our lifetime could be repented for, thus allowing us entry into heaven, rather than dooming us to hell simply because we made a few mistakes" hahahaha you tool. Think for yourself, don't believe fairy tales.

 and your point?

My point is stop believing the bible, it's a book of bad fairy tales. Think for yourself and analyze situations and reality. Don't be another religious tool.

All religions are the same. Means of control and power. They're all off shoots of the same idea... Man's fear of the unknown.

There is no God, no fairies, no demons, no angels, no tooth fairy, no santa claus.

I understand that religion is a big part of your life, but pleae try to think about whether the things you believe in make any sense, that's all we ask.