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Coca-Cola said:
Bladeneo said:
Notorius.A.i.G said:
xeroxm3 said:
Notorius.A.i.G said:

About time !!!

Anyways I'm a big Blazers fan. Used to be a big Suns fan until they lost Amare. I would definetely be lieing if I said that I'm not a Miami fan. I am. A big one. People can hate on Lebron all they want but I see no problem with him teaming up with Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh. I truly believe they'll win a championship IF they get a proper C and PG.

They don't even really need a proper PG with Wade and Lebron on the team. If they had a knockdown 3pt shooting PG that plays solid defense it would be enough for them. They definitely need a true inside presence in the paint though because Joel Anthony and Big Z aren't going to get it done in the playoffs against the likes of Pau or Dwight.



They need a PG who can guard. I agree that either Wade or Lebron can play the point on the offensive end. And your spot on with the C ! They need one who can :

- Score in the post
- Change / block shots
- Run the floor
- Rebound

They need someone like Gasol. I'm questioning whether or not Miami should trade Bosh.

No way LBJ or Wade would allow that. Bosh is overrated, I think that's accepted by everyone, but he's still a solid 20/10 on a normal team with a bit of confidence. I think a guy like Brook Lopez would be absolutely perfect for this Miami team, but unfortunately there aren't many of him going round and what do the Heat have to offer? They could possibly, at a stretch, target a guy like Robin Lopez or maybe even entice Portland to part with Greg Oden but he obviously has massive injury issues surrounding him. Any other mid-level centre you guys can think of? 

I don't think Bosh is overrated, but he is difficult to place in the team.  He is too weak to be a power forward.

Don't know if this is true, but my friend told me last night that Bosh might get traded.

Miami needs a point guard.  But I don't want them to cause I want to see Lakers and Celtics in the finals again.

I'm not sure how Bosh can't be overrated. Over the summer he was elevated to a status reserved for the leagues elite; he's not just slightly below LeBron and Wade, he's a couple of steps down from them. To use the term superstar with Bosh is just wrong.

And on another topic, I think Melo will go to the Knicks personally. He's a difficult person to deal with, but he's as complete an offensive player as you'll find in the league and he seems to want to go there and share in the spotlight with Amar'e. 



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Makes me so happy seeing the Heat lose; I am a Laker fan, so my season so far has been wonderful.. Will be great in the playoffs, the Lakers win their 3rd championship in a row while the Heat get bounced out in the first round and question themselves. I will enjoy spitting in Lebrons face, that stupid arogant jack-a**! Muahaha...



FireBringer said:

Makes me so happy seeing the Heat lose; I am a Laker fan, so my season so far has been wonderful.. Will be great in the playoffs, the Lakers win their 3rd championship in a row while the Heat get bounced out in the first round and question themselves. I will enjoy spitting in Lebrons face, that stupid arogant jack-a**! Muahaha...

Do this surprise me coming from a Lakers fan? I don't mean to be stereotypical, but, well, you guys don't do yourselves any favours. 



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Huge Basketball fan right here.

 

My favourite of course is the Celtics, the team with the most rings and best Defense in the NBA right now. And yes Rondo is amazing.

 

Also support the Denver Nuggets and Miami Heats.

I originally supported the Pistons because of Chauncey Billups but since he moved onto the Nuggets, I've been supporting them. I've always been a supporter of D Wade but wiht LeBron and Bosh on his team, I love the Heats even more.

Used to support the Suns because of Amar'e but since his move to the Knicks, I support neither team now and just like Amar'e.



Bladeneo said:
Kasz216 said:
Bladeneo said:
Kasz216 said:
Bladeneo said:

The hate for Miami really is quite funny; LeBron no doubt handled the situation terribly but it was well within his right to leave an awfully managed Cleveland team. I'm sure he got sick of making Mike Brown look like an above average coach, and after Dan Gilbert's comments, his decision was all the more vindicated. 


Saying he handled it terribly was an understatement.

There was like no way he could of handled that worse without committing a crime.

It's probably the worse PR move ever.

Outside of like... OJ Simpson killing his wife... and the sad thing is... that's not an exageration.

That's the only time I can think of public opinion swaying this much.

 

One thing that I really think sets people off is a subconsious realization of the trouble that would bring if more people DID do this.

 

Think about it.  Money doesn't REALLY matter, 30 million or 25 million does it matter for the stars when they have 80 million dollar shoe deals?

So lets say stars start making superteams like Lebron and Wade did.


There is no point in having a team outside of Florida, California, New York, and Texas.

They offer way more then any of the midmarket teams can in the terms of intangibles.


To be honest I think you're forgetting quite how good the teams used to be back in the 80s and 90s. Jordan, Pippen and Rodman? Bird, Parish, McHale (and Len Bias had superstar potential remember). The Jazz had Stockton and Malone, the Hawks had Dominique and Moses Malone in the late 80s too. 

Hell, look at the Lakers now, and even the Celtics, they're aging but those teams are stacked; Lebron and Wade being together doesn't put them over those teams. 


The Utah Jazz and the Atlanta Hawks you mean?   Teams that stacked themselves through having good GMs?

It's a bit different then 3 friends deciding to play together in Miami because they like the club scene.


What Superstars are willingly going to want to team up and go to Utah?


That's the point though, LeBron would have stayed in Cleveland but nobody wanted to go there and they didn't exactly have the most enticing supporting cast anyway. The Cavs were so intent on giving LeBron players that were only good on paper or past their prime rather than make a decent trade to get him a good enough supporting cast. 

I don't think the league is all of a sudden going to turn into a make your own super team marathon. There are young, good teams and there are stacked teams already, Miami have just added through free agency like most good teams do. They added a superstar, which admittedly is a very rare feat to accomplish in free agency but I can't remember many MVP's playing with such an awful roster and sticking around for more than seven years.

See Kevin Garnett?   The Twolves were way worse then the Cavs.  (I'd argue Iverson as well.)

Cavs are tied for first in the east.  As great as Lebron James is... his cast in Cleveland is severly underrated.

The only realy issue was that Mo Williams sucks in the clutch.  The Cavs had some of the deepest and most talented role players in the NBA.  Their issue was they had no second dog... (Outside of mo, who sucked under pressure).

Their problem was they didn't trade any depth for a real second option.



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Bladeneo said:
Coca-Cola said:
Bladeneo said:
Notorius.A.i.G said:
xeroxm3 said:
Notorius.A.i.G said:

About time !!!

Anyways I'm a big Blazers fan. Used to be a big Suns fan until they lost Amare. I would definetely be lieing if I said that I'm not a Miami fan. I am. A big one. People can hate on Lebron all they want but I see no problem with him teaming up with Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh. I truly believe they'll win a championship IF they get a proper C and PG.

They don't even really need a proper PG with Wade and Lebron on the team. If they had a knockdown 3pt shooting PG that plays solid defense it would be enough for them. They definitely need a true inside presence in the paint though because Joel Anthony and Big Z aren't going to get it done in the playoffs against the likes of Pau or Dwight.



They need a PG who can guard. I agree that either Wade or Lebron can play the point on the offensive end. And your spot on with the C ! They need one who can :

- Score in the post
- Change / block shots
- Run the floor
- Rebound

They need someone like Gasol. I'm questioning whether or not Miami should trade Bosh.

No way LBJ or Wade would allow that. Bosh is overrated, I think that's accepted by everyone, but he's still a solid 20/10 on a normal team with a bit of confidence. I think a guy like Brook Lopez would be absolutely perfect for this Miami team, but unfortunately there aren't many of him going round and what do the Heat have to offer? They could possibly, at a stretch, target a guy like Robin Lopez or maybe even entice Portland to part with Greg Oden but he obviously has massive injury issues surrounding him. Any other mid-level centre you guys can think of? 

I don't think Bosh is overrated, but he is difficult to place in the team.  He is too weak to be a power forward.

Don't know if this is true, but my friend told me last night that Bosh might get traded.

Miami needs a point guard.  But I don't want them to cause I want to see Lakers and Celtics in the finals again.

I'm not sure how Bosh can't be overrated. Over the summer he was elevated to a status reserved for the leagues elite; he's not just slightly below LeBron and Wade, he's a couple of steps down from them. To use the term superstar with Bosh is just wrong.

And on another topic, I think Melo will go to the Knicks personally. He's a difficult person to deal with, but he's as complete an offensive player as you'll find in the league and he seems to want to go there and share in the spotlight with Amar'e. 

What I meant to say is that he has a potential to be a superstar somewhere else.  I think he just has to work harder though.  He reminds me of Ed O'Bannon from UCLA.  He was a great player and he stopped working and failed in the pro level.  He did say that after winning the NCAA tournament (and having a kid) he lost his drive for basketball. 

Would you rank Bosh higher than Odom?



Coca-Cola said:
Bladeneo said:
Coca-Cola said:
Bladeneo said:
Notorius.A.i.G said:
xeroxm3 said:
Notorius.A.i.G said:

About time !!!

Anyways I'm a big Blazers fan. Used to be a big Suns fan until they lost Amare. I would definetely be lieing if I said that I'm not a Miami fan. I am. A big one. People can hate on Lebron all they want but I see no problem with him teaming up with Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh. I truly believe they'll win a championship IF they get a proper C and PG.

They don't even really need a proper PG with Wade and Lebron on the team. If they had a knockdown 3pt shooting PG that plays solid defense it would be enough for them. They definitely need a true inside presence in the paint though because Joel Anthony and Big Z aren't going to get it done in the playoffs against the likes of Pau or Dwight.



They need a PG who can guard. I agree that either Wade or Lebron can play the point on the offensive end. And your spot on with the C ! They need one who can :

- Score in the post
- Change / block shots
- Run the floor
- Rebound

They need someone like Gasol. I'm questioning whether or not Miami should trade Bosh.

No way LBJ or Wade would allow that. Bosh is overrated, I think that's accepted by everyone, but he's still a solid 20/10 on a normal team with a bit of confidence. I think a guy like Brook Lopez would be absolutely perfect for this Miami team, but unfortunately there aren't many of him going round and what do the Heat have to offer? They could possibly, at a stretch, target a guy like Robin Lopez or maybe even entice Portland to part with Greg Oden but he obviously has massive injury issues surrounding him. Any other mid-level centre you guys can think of? 

I don't think Bosh is overrated, but he is difficult to place in the team.  He is too weak to be a power forward.

Don't know if this is true, but my friend told me last night that Bosh might get traded.

Miami needs a point guard.  But I don't want them to cause I want to see Lakers and Celtics in the finals again.

I'm not sure how Bosh can't be overrated. Over the summer he was elevated to a status reserved for the leagues elite; he's not just slightly below LeBron and Wade, he's a couple of steps down from them. To use the term superstar with Bosh is just wrong.

And on another topic, I think Melo will go to the Knicks personally. He's a difficult person to deal with, but he's as complete an offensive player as you'll find in the league and he seems to want to go there and share in the spotlight with Amar'e. 

What I meant to say is that he has a potential to be a superstar somewhere else.  I think he just has to work harder though.  He reminds me of Ed O'Bannon from UCLA.  He was a great player and he stopped working and failed in the pro level.  He did say that after winning the NCAA tournament (and having a kid) he lost his drive for basketball. 

Would you rank Bosh higher than Odom?

I'd say they are very similar, Odom is very effective in the Lakers offense while Bosh hasn't had time to become integrated into the Heat's system yet. Odom is, effectively, a sixth man though, he's only getting extended minutes due to Bynum's absence. 

Bosh has the ability to put up inflated numbers in a weak outfit, similar to someone like Joe Johnson, and I think he can play a pivotal role in Miami. He's certainly a great player, but he's not at the level of Durant, LBJ, Wade, Bryant, etc. 



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Kasz216 said:
Bladeneo said:
Kasz216 said:
Bladeneo said:
Kasz216 said:
Bladeneo said:

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That's the point though, LeBron would have stayed in Cleveland but nobody wanted to go there and they didn't exactly have the most enticing supporting cast anyway. The Cavs were so intent on giving LeBron players that were only good on paper or past their prime rather than make a decent trade to get him a good enough supporting cast. 

I don't think the league is all of a sudden going to turn into a make your own super team marathon. There are young, good teams and there are stacked teams already, Miami have just added through free agency like most good teams do. They added a superstar, which admittedly is a very rare feat to accomplish in free agency but I can't remember many MVP's playing with such an awful roster and sticking around for more than seven years.

See Kevin Garnett?   The Twolves were way worse then the Cavs.  (I'd argue Iverson as well.)

Cavs are tied for first in the east.  As great as Lebron James is... his cast in Cleveland is severly underrated.

The only realy issue was that Mo Williams sucks in the clutch.  The Cavs had some of the deepest and most talented role players in the NBA.  Their issue was they had no second dog... (Outside of mo, who sucked under pressure).

Their problem was they didn't trade any depth for a real second option.

Garnett has mentioned on more than a few occasions that he felt he should have left the Twolves earlier than he did, and he agreed with Lebron's decision to go. But I see the point you're making.

The Cavaliers have some good players, but it certainly says something when A) You can't manage to secure a decent free agent signing, even with the best player in the league on your team and B) Players like Jamison who started last year are now on the bench. 

Cleveland's two best supporting players, Mo and Varajeo (who I love), both shrunk into nothing in the playoffs and I really don't think Lebron had it in him to carry them yet again. On paper the Cavaliers had enough but those deep and talented role players simply came up short when it mattered, Shaq was signed for a series that never came and Hickson wasn't trusted to help Lebron. 

The Cavs were still leaps and bounds better than when LeBron arrived, obviously, don't get me wrong. I mean, the team he took to the finals consisted of Sasha Pavlovic, Daniel Gibson, a young and still too raw Varajeo and an oft-injured Big Z. That team wouldn't get to 20 wins without him really. 



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Bladeneo said:
Kasz216 said:
Bladeneo said:
Kasz216 said:
Bladeneo said:
Kasz216 said:
Bladeneo said:

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That's the point though, LeBron would have stayed in Cleveland but nobody wanted to go there and they didn't exactly have the most enticing supporting cast anyway. The Cavs were so intent on giving LeBron players that were only good on paper or past their prime rather than make a decent trade to get him a good enough supporting cast. 

I don't think the league is all of a sudden going to turn into a make your own super team marathon. There are young, good teams and there are stacked teams already, Miami have just added through free agency like most good teams do. They added a superstar, which admittedly is a very rare feat to accomplish in free agency but I can't remember many MVP's playing with such an awful roster and sticking around for more than seven years.

See Kevin Garnett?   The Twolves were way worse then the Cavs.  (I'd argue Iverson as well.)

Cavs are tied for first in the east.  As great as Lebron James is... his cast in Cleveland is severly underrated.

The only realy issue was that Mo Williams sucks in the clutch.  The Cavs had some of the deepest and most talented role players in the NBA.  Their issue was they had no second dog... (Outside of mo, who sucked under pressure).

Their problem was they didn't trade any depth for a real second option.

Garnett has mentioned on more than a few occasions that he felt he should have left the Twolves earlier than he did, and he agreed with Lebron's decision to go. But I see the point you're making.

The Cavaliers have some good players, but it certainly says something when A) You can't manage to secure a decent free agent signing, even with the best player in the league on your team and B) Players like Jamison who started last year are now on the bench. 

Cleveland's two best supporting players, Mo and Varajeo (who I love), both shrunk into nothing in the playoffs and I really don't think Lebron had it in him to carry them yet again. On paper the Cavaliers had enough but those deep and talented role players simply came up short when it mattered, Shaq was signed for a series that never came and Hickson wasn't trusted to help Lebron. 

The Cavs were still leaps and bounds better than when LeBron arrived, obviously, don't get me wrong. I mean, the team he took to the finals consisted of Sasha Pavlovic, Daniel Gibson, a young and still too raw Varajeo and an oft-injured Big Z. That team wouldn't get to 20 wins without him really. 

They couldn't sign a free agent BECAUSE of Lebron and his contract which suggested he might leave.

Had he signed a regular contract, they would of eaisly signed free agents.  The fact that he signed a shortened contract. (intentionally because of this situation by the way.  It's not like he planned this AFTER they lost last year.  The rumors that Lebron, Wade and Bosh were going to do this have been around for YEARS it's just, nobody believed them because no superstar in his prime has ever said "Screw it, i'll take less money to make myself a second bannanna. )

 

Well that and the fact that they kept Mo Brown around (because Lebron wanted them to.)

Mo Brown was horrible.  He's play someone 20-30 minutes, they'd have a big game, then sit them down for like 5 minutes the next game.



Kasz216 said:
Bladeneo said:
Kasz216 said:
Bladeneo said:
Kasz216 said:
Bladeneo said:
Kasz216 said:
Bladeneo said:

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That's the point though, LeBron would have stayed in Cleveland but nobody wanted to go there and they didn't exactly have the most enticing supporting cast anyway. The Cavs were so intent on giving LeBron players that were only good on paper or past their prime rather than make a decent trade to get him a good enough supporting cast. 

I don't think the league is all of a sudden going to turn into a make your own super team marathon. There are young, good teams and there are stacked teams already, Miami have just added through free agency like most good teams do. They added a superstar, which admittedly is a very rare feat to accomplish in free agency but I can't remember many MVP's playing with such an awful roster and sticking around for more than seven years.

See Kevin Garnett?   The Twolves were way worse then the Cavs.  (I'd argue Iverson as well.)

Cavs are tied for first in the east.  As great as Lebron James is... his cast in Cleveland is severly underrated.

The only realy issue was that Mo Williams sucks in the clutch.  The Cavs had some of the deepest and most talented role players in the NBA.  Their issue was they had no second dog... (Outside of mo, who sucked under pressure).

Their problem was they didn't trade any depth for a real second option.

Garnett has mentioned on more than a few occasions that he felt he should have left the Twolves earlier than he did, and he agreed with Lebron's decision to go. But I see the point you're making.

The Cavaliers have some good players, but it certainly says something when A) You can't manage to secure a decent free agent signing, even with the best player in the league on your team and B) Players like Jamison who started last year are now on the bench. 

Cleveland's two best supporting players, Mo and Varajeo (who I love), both shrunk into nothing in the playoffs and I really don't think Lebron had it in him to carry them yet again. On paper the Cavaliers had enough but those deep and talented role players simply came up short when it mattered, Shaq was signed for a series that never came and Hickson wasn't trusted to help Lebron. 

The Cavs were still leaps and bounds better than when LeBron arrived, obviously, don't get me wrong. I mean, the team he took to the finals consisted of Sasha Pavlovic, Daniel Gibson, a young and still too raw Varajeo and an oft-injured Big Z. That team wouldn't get to 20 wins without him really. 

They couldn't sign a free agent BECAUSE of Lebron and his contract which suggested he might leave.

Had he signed a regular contract, they would of eaisly signed free agents.

 

Well that and the fact that they kept Mo Brown around (because Lebron wanted them to.)

Mo Brown was horrible.  He's play someone 20-30 minutes, they'd have a big game, then sit them down for like 5 minutes the next game.

Where did you read that? I was under the impression Lebron wasn't happy with Brown's decisions, especially in the playoffs. They had more than enough opportunities to give Lebron decent help before this offseason, and it was made pretty clear by a fair few free agents around the league (like Bosh and Wade) that they simply didn't want to come to Cleveland. The Cavs missed out on a number of players that LeBron wanted, especially Jason Kidd, i think not signing him really pissed LBJ off. 



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