Seriously. I just get really peeved when all the Sony fans (and Sony themselves) were scoffing at the Wiimote, and claimed that motion control was "ruining gaming!" but now that Sony has their own Wiimote, motion control gaming is suddenly cool. Not only that, but just for an extra kick in the nuts, many of them even go as far as saying that the Move is so much better than the Wiimote and this is "REAL!" motion control gaming. What a load of horsecrap.. It's like the stupid graphics/horsepower arguments all over again...

At least the diehard core gamers that hate both the Wiimote AND the Move I can respect, since they are sticking to their guns. There is no bias with them, they simply hate motion controls in their gaming, which I can understand and respect. The company that makes them should be irrelivant.

It's funny though, because those who did hate the Wiimote and are now in love with Move have blatantly shown their true biased colors.

We'll let the sales decide which is "better."

Anyway, where did I say the Wiimote was better? What I am saying is they're more or less the same device. Besides the PS Eye (which is not new), I'd be hard pressed to find a single difference between the Move and Wiimote (well maybe other than the fact that the Move looks like a erm.."phallic symbol" you'd bring at a rave). Maybe you can help me find a difference?

Hell, maybe the Move is improved in some way, but considering it's coming out 4 years after the Wiimote, it damn well better be!

But personally, I don't really see how it can be better. I have already played Red Steel 2 with the motion plus, and the movements are pretty dead on accurate, at least to me. I can't imagine how Move can improve on that in any way, besides maybe not having to deal with the calibration, which takes a few seconds at most just once before you start playing..

The Wiimote incl. WM plus can't do positional tracking, Move can do that.

My problem is with this video being cited as proof not with the assertion that Move is better, as you can see from my previous post.

1:1 requires two things. Appropriate hardware and software coded to take advantage of this.  The use of the the disc game to show that the disc isn't being tracked in 3D space is reasonably compelling.  It still doesn't establish whether it's something that wasn't coded in the software or a fundamental shortcoming of the Wii mote. He then weakens his argument by failing to show an analagous movement with the Move to prove it can do just that in a game.

He then shows someone playing table tennis with Move, using fully fledged swings.  He follows this by showing someone playing WSR table tennis blocking the ball back barely moving the controller.  I don't know if you play table tennis but blocking the ball back is a perfectly legitimate shot, it just won't win you many games, but I digress.  He fails to show someone playing the game properly, against a proper opposition and using normal shots, that would be required to win the game, and conversely doesn't show what happens in Move table tennis if you attempt to block the ball back.

It's an unbalanced comparison and before you call denial, please read my first sentence again.

Seriously. I just get really peeved when all the Sony fans (and Sony themselves) were scoffing at the Wiimote, and claimed that motion control was "ruining gaming!" but now that Sony has their own Wiimote, motion control gaming is suddenly cool. Not only that, but just for an extra kick in the nuts, many of them even go as far as saying that the Move is so much better than the Wiimote and this is "REAL!" motion control gaming. What a load of horsecrap.. It's like the stupid graphics/horsepower arguments all over again...

At least the diehard core gamers that hate both the Wiimote AND the Move I can respect, since they are sticking to their guns. There is no bias with them, they simply hate motion controls in their gaming, which I can understand and respect. The company that makes them should be irrelivant.

It's funny though, because those who did hate the Wiimote and are now in love with Move have blatantly shown their true biased colors.

Um yes it does.. You zoom in and out with the snipers. And it allows you to stay zoomed in, or zoom back out in varying degrees while aiming, which means it's not just the accelerometers recognising a quick "stab" motion but it actually is tracking depth on the z axis.

I didn't like it either, was really awkward, but my point being that it does it.

The Wiimote with motion plus can track virtually any time of movement, turn, twist, etc.. So I fail to see how Move can do more, when motion plus already recognizes everything. The only difference is that the Move uses a camera to track its relative position while Wiimote uses the more simplistic sensor bar. But the result is essentially the same. Like I said, since there is no camera with the Wii, you occassionally need to callabrate, but from the two games I've played so far (Sports Resort and RS2, this process only takes a few seconds)

Regardless, all this talk about which is better is irrelivent, becuase it is all going to boil down to the games. Sony is going to learn that much like graphics and horsepower, the average consumer isn't going to care too much about 1:1 motion, especially if the games don't deliver.

If that's what amounts to trash talk these days I think people are a wee bit overly sensitive.

Now Mr. Reggie Nintendo of America, saying he'd be embarassed to release Move if he was with Sony is trash talk worthy of the title.

Bottom line, Sony has really gone downhill as a company:

1. Sony made an imitation product, and are now bashing the original product which they imitated; fairly dirty.
2. They went from first place and profitable to last place and losing billions.
3. They lost almost all of their important exclusives (the most important being Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy)
4. They're hypocrites: while Microsoft praised Nintendo's new innovations before making their own unique brand o Motion Controls, Sony bashed them before completely copying the (except with a mysterious pastel colour glow-ball on the end, probably to help the controller appeal to little girls who want to pretend they're Sailor Moon)