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sapphi_snake said:
pizzahut451 said:
sapphi_snake said:
Hephaestos said:

again, I realize talking about races can be offensive, this is not my intent, i'm just arguing on the future of the human race as a whole. (I believe this is in topic as my reasoning is that our cultural "cowardice" which is openess is the reason why the cultur europeans/US currently holds as theirs will disapear and why the population of these countries will ultimately be wiped out by being absorbed in an other racial group)

Haven't you ever heard of globalisation? Eventually there will be only one culture, and it ain't gonna be that of the third world people.

it most certanly wont. there are lots of people on this planet who would rather give (and take)  life than giving away their culture and accepting the other one.

Yet eventually they'll go the way of the dinosaurs. A century ago nationalism and xenophobia were rampart in Europe. Now the cultural differences between European states are not significant. The same thing will happen to more primitive states once they become more developed and rich, and once they have better access to education and  information. No human desires restrictive closed societies like those of third world countries, and people downright reject such societies in times of prosperity when they develop the understanding that they can have a better life.

so you think when people become risher they dont care about thieir heritage anymore???  You know, there is this thing called PRIDE.  Its when your proud of country, religion or culture and you dont wanna change it because suddenly you recive more money. Can you understand that? I personally wouldnt let my country or culture dissapear because some asshole gave me money. Its called being a bitch



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pizzahut451 said:

so you think when people become risher they dont care about thieir heritage anymore???  You know, there is this thing called PRIDE.  Its when your proud of country, religion or culture and you dont wanna change it because suddenly you recive more money. Can you understand that? I personally wouldnt let my country or culture dissapear because some asshole gave me money. Its called being a bitch

By "richer" I mean the country as a whole. When a middel class will develop those people will be able to have decent living conditions, and will have better access to information and education. The younger people will be influenced by the media and Western entertainment. Not to mention that as living conditions improve and more and more people will get past their own ignorance they'll start rejecting the restrictive, authoritan elements of their culture. People there will start embracing and fighting for things like human rights, geneder equality etc. (idas developed and respected in the West), even if those things are against their traditional  cultural norms, because all people want is happyness and freedom, (and for better or for worst the Western culture has done a better job of offering people that than any other place in the world). Restrictive, authoritan societies only survive as long as the people are ignorant enough to not relise that things can be better.

And culture is constantly evolving, people are influenced by every bit of information they recieve, and in this day and age when people have access to the Internet and watch movies and TV shows it's not hard to guess which culture is infleuncing the world the most.

As for your "pride" argument, some local elements will remain (if you go to any part of your home country you'll see that there are specific practices and traditions), but overall culture worldwide will become more and more homogenous (which is a very good thing I might add).



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Sapphi Snake-

You and I are on the same wave length. I agree with most of your comments whole heartedly. I think the Western world could do a lot better though by not supporting repressive and dictatorial regimes like we have done in the past and still do today.



I m not really sure about the "One Culture" for the world.

 

The tendence is to create local-based likes than global-based ones, You only need to look for example the English, French and Spanish situation, most of those languajes are changing in diferent places and they will eventually tore their structure and turn into a lot of derivated languajes.

 

You only need to look at the Latin situation back in the roman empire age, it gave birth to "vulgar languages" such as Italian, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Catalá, etc, etc.



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HernanDroid said:

I m not really sure about the "One Culture" for the world.

 

The tendence is to create local-based likes than global-based ones, You only need to look for example the English, French and Spanish situation, most of those languajes are changing in diferent places and they will eventually tore their structure and turn into a lot of derivated languajes.

 

You only need to look at the Latin situation back in the roman empire age, it gave birth to "vulgar languages" such as Italian, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Catalá, etc, etc.

Hmmm...well we are talking about culture, not languages. I don't really think that there's a significant difference between a French speaking person in Montreal, and one in Paris. There may be some diferrences (especially in terms of slang), but the formal use of the language is the same (and kindergardens and schools where kids are taught formal language at an ealy age perpetuate this). The languages would have to become influenced by other languages and merge (the process that led to the formation of the Romance languages you mentioned), and that seems unlikely to happen in modern societies.

Plus, thanks to modern means of communication, communities are no longer isolated as they once were. That is a factor also.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

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"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

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sapphi_snake said:
pizzahut451 said:

so you think when people become risher they dont care about thieir heritage anymore???  You know, there is this thing called PRIDE.  Its when your proud of country, religion or culture and you dont wanna change it because suddenly you recive more money. Can you understand that? I personally wouldnt let my country or culture dissapear because some asshole gave me money. Its called being a bitch

By "richer" I mean the country as a whole. When a middel class will develop those people will be able to have decent living conditions, and will have better access to information and education. The younger people will be influenced by the media and Western entertainment. Not to mention that as living conditions improve and more and more people will get past their own ignorance they'll start rejecting the restrictive, authoritan elements of their culture. People there will start embracing and fighting for things like human rights, geneder equality etc. (idas developed and respected in the West), even if those things are against their traditional  cultural norms, because all people want is happyness and freedom, (and for better or for worst the Western culture has done a better job of offering people that than any other place in the world). Restrictive, authoritan societies only survive as long as the people are ignorant enough to not relise that things can be better.

And culture is constantly evolving, people are influenced by every bit of information they recieve, and in this day and age when people have access to the Internet and watch movies and TV shows it's not hard to guess which culture is infleuncing the world the most.

As for your "pride" argument, some local elements will remain (if you go to any part of your home country you'll see that there are specific practices and traditions), but overall culture worldwide will become more and more homogenous (which is a very good thing I might add).

So everyone who is patriotic and proud of their country is blind, hateful, ignorant and xenophobic ???

''Not to mention that as living conditions improve and more and more people will get past their own ignorance they'll start rejecting the restrictive, authoritan elements of their culture''

 

This is the part where i got sick of your arrogance and ignorance so i stopped reading. This was simply too much for me. And the fact that you come from East (it says on your profile your from Romania) makes all of this even sadder.



babuks said:

@Rath and MarcusDJackson,

 

You have answered my questions and quite logically I admit them. But you should think of the same about Islam and Muslims. Because Quran say good things and prohibits bad things. But some people do not follow them. So, why blame all Muslims or Islam for that?

Some people quote Quran out of context and say that Quran tells about killing non-Muslims. That is not true. Most of the verses relating to killing are in the context of war and most of the time the verses are in defensive mode; for example, if non-muslims want to kill you, kill them. 

In fact, Quran says, "that if anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, or (and) to spread mischief in the land - it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind." So, anyone does not follow the Quran and do mischief and kill people, Quran and Islam should not be blamed. 

So, I would say we should ignore those filthy persons and establish the real peaceful society of which the religions talk.

right on bro



pizzahut451 said:
sapphi_snake said:
pizzahut451 said:

so you think when people become risher they dont care about thieir heritage anymore???  You know, there is this thing called PRIDE.  Its when your proud of country, religion or culture and you dont wanna change it because suddenly you recive more money. Can you understand that? I personally wouldnt let my country or culture dissapear because some asshole gave me money. Its called being a bitch

By "richer" I mean the country as a whole. When a middel class will develop those people will be able to have decent living conditions, and will have better access to information and education. The younger people will be influenced by the media and Western entertainment. Not to mention that as living conditions improve and more and more people will get past their own ignorance they'll start rejecting the restrictive, authoritan elements of their culture. People there will start embracing and fighting for things like human rights, geneder equality etc. (idas developed and respected in the West), even if those things are against their traditional  cultural norms, because all people want is happyness and freedom, (and for better or for worst the Western culture has done a better job of offering people that than any other place in the world). Restrictive, authoritan societies only survive as long as the people are ignorant enough to not relise that things can be better.

And culture is constantly evolving, people are influenced by every bit of information they recieve, and in this day and age when people have access to the Internet and watch movies and TV shows it's not hard to guess which culture is infleuncing the world the most.

As for your "pride" argument, some local elements will remain (if you go to any part of your home country you'll see that there are specific practices and traditions), but overall culture worldwide will become more and more homogenous (which is a very good thing I might add).

So everyone who is patriotic and proud of their country is blind, hateful, ignorant and xenophobic ???

''Not to mention that as living conditions improve and more and more people will get past their own ignorance they'll start rejecting the restrictive, authoritan elements of their culture''

 

This is the part where i got sick of your arrogance and ignorance so i stopped reading. This was simply too much for me. And the fact that you come from East (it says on your profile your from Romania) makes all of this even sadder.

Arogant? Maybe. Ignorant? I don't think so.

First of all I never said that "everyone who is patriotic and proud of their country is blind, hateful, ignorant and xenophobic". I'd much rather call a person who is xenophobic "blind, hateful and ignorant".

There's nothing wrong with beeing patriotic, I guess (but in excess it can certainly make a person bling to their countrie's/culture's faults), but objectively speaking not all people can be proud of their countries and their cultures (I certainly wouldn't say that peopel from thrid world countries have any heritage to be proud of).

Irregardless of where one's born, one doesn't have to limit his/herslef to the place/culture they where born in. Blindly following and supporting a culture that has more faults than positive elements is not a virtue. You can't improve yourself and the world around you if you don't think critically and support a country/culture just because you were born into it.

From your comments I take it you fall into the blind patriot category. Funny that you call me ignorant.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

sapphi_snake said:
pizzahut451 said:
sapphi_snake said:
pizzahut451 said:

so you think when people become risher they dont care about thieir heritage anymore???  You know, there is this thing called PRIDE.  Its when your proud of country, religion or culture and you dont wanna change it because suddenly you recive more money. Can you understand that? I personally wouldnt let my country or culture dissapear because some asshole gave me money. Its called being a bitch

By "richer" I mean the country as a whole. When a middel class will develop those people will be able to have decent living conditions, and will have better access to information and education. The younger people will be influenced by the media and Western entertainment. Not to mention that as living conditions improve and more and more people will get past their own ignorance they'll start rejecting the restrictive, authoritan elements of their culture. People there will start embracing and fighting for things like human rights, geneder equality etc. (idas developed and respected in the West), even if those things are against their traditional  cultural norms, because all people want is happyness and freedom, (and for better or for worst the Western culture has done a better job of offering people that than any other place in the world). Restrictive, authoritan societies only survive as long as the people are ignorant enough to not relise that things can be better.

And culture is constantly evolving, people are influenced by every bit of information they recieve, and in this day and age when people have access to the Internet and watch movies and TV shows it's not hard to guess which culture is infleuncing the world the most.

As for your "pride" argument, some local elements will remain (if you go to any part of your home country you'll see that there are specific practices and traditions), but overall culture worldwide will become more and more homogenous (which is a very good thing I might add).

So everyone who is patriotic and proud of their country is blind, hateful, ignorant and xenophobic ???

''Not to mention that as living conditions improve and more and more people will get past their own ignorance they'll start rejecting the restrictive, authoritan elements of their culture''

 

This is the part where i got sick of your arrogance and ignorance so i stopped reading. This was simply too much for me. And the fact that you come from East (it says on your profile your from Romania) makes all of this even sadder.

Arogant? Maybe. Ignorant? I don't think so.

First of all I never said that "everyone who is patriotic and proud of their country is blind, hateful, ignorant and xenophobic". I'd much rather call a person who is xenophobic "blind, hateful and ignorant".

There's nothing wrong with beeing patriotic, I guess (but in excess it can certainly make a person bling to their countrie's/culture's faults), but objectively speaking not all people can be proud of their countries and their cultures (I certainly wouldn't say that peopel from thrid world countries have any heritage to be proud of).

Irregardless of where one's born, one doesn't have to limit his/herslef to the place/culture they where born in. Blindly following and supporting a culture that has more faults than positive elements is not a virtue. You can't improve yourself and the world around you if you don't think critically and support a country/culture just because you were born into it.

From your comments I take it you fall into the blind patriot category. Funny that you call me ignorant.

I know about lots of bad things in my culture and there's lots of stuff in my country that i dont like, but that sure as hell doesnt mean im gonna reject everything and accept someone else's  culture because i get more payed. That kind of person is the biggest traitor and disgrace to his/hers country. And better education is not gonna make me abandon everything i stand for.



pizzahut451 said:

I know about lots of bad things in my culture and there's lots of stuff in my country that i dont like, but that sure as hell doesnt mean im gonna reject everything and accept someone else's  culture because i get more payed. That kind of person is the biggest traitor and disgrace to his/hers country. And better education is not gonna make me abandon everything i stand for.

It's not about beeing payed more, but when a country becomes more developed the people become richer, and consequently become more interested in intelectual pursuits. They get better access to education and broaden their horizons. They'll develop critical thinking and realise that there are negative elemnts within their country/culture, and that other countries/cultures don't have those negative elements and instead have better values and principles. Not all elements must be rejected, just those which are negative (and in the case of third world countries almost everything about their countries/cultures is bad).

A person is not bound to the place where he/she is born, nor to the culture he/she was born in.

When you say "everything i stand for" I must ask why do you stand for what you stand? And do you think that if a person is born in a certain country they must automatically stand for what that country/culture promotes?



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)