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Forums - Sales Discussion - Nintendo, Sony, Capcom Quarterly Data (Apr-Jun 2010) out Tonight

Lets be honest here, the PS3 is severely undertracked and chances are this discrepancy will not be alleviated. Based solely on the numbers released by MS and Sony, there is no doubt the PS3 will outsell the 360 by the end of this generation.



2011 Predictions

Wii: 17m (100 million total)

360: 13m (63 million total)

PS3: 15m (61 million total)

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Specific Capcom shipment figures for fiscal Q1...

 

Lost Planet 2 (360, PS3) 1,500,000 worldwide

Super Street Fighter IV (360, PS3) 1,350,000 worldwide

Monster Hunter Tri (Wii) 690,000 NA & EU (1,840,000 worldwide ltd)



Buhahahhahha :D man I wake up and the netz iz havingz meltdownz :P AWESOME!

Crazy numbers for ps3 and I can't actually believe seeing people trying to say 2.4 mil units in the channel? oh wait nvm...seeing who says that and how they are towards SOny I can see why

ANywho SOny profited, Ninty posted a huge loss (what R&D? lol most of the R&D isn't done by them, spin it all you want) and capcom is ugh capcom...you release crappy games and this is what you get....Lost planet anyone? Hyped to death but horrible in delivery

And man some people are actually trying to downplay sony profits? hahahha Brilliant stuff...hey where are those guys in the EMAA thread bashing BHR? Didn't you guys were saying anyone who downplays one who does well are fanboys etc? Same applies here hmm ok? :P

Good stuff tho keep em coming



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M.U.G.E.N said:

Ninty posted a huge loss (what R&D? lol most of the R&D isn't done by them, spin it all you want)


Actually Nintendo had a $500 million but took on a $794 million one time exchange rate charge resulting in the posted $288 million loss.

 

No spin, just facts.



The rEVOLution is not being televised

Yeah, Nintendo's loss was down to currency fluctuations. Sony's NPS division (which includes PlayStation) also posted a loss btw, though less than the previous year thanks to improved Vaio sales and reduced PS3 losses.



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Viper1 said:
M.U.G.E.N said:

Ninty posted a huge loss (what R&D? lol most of the R&D isn't done by them, spin it all you want)


Actually Nintendo had a $500 million but took on a $794 million one time exchange rate charge resulting in the posted $288 million loss.

 

No spin, just facts.

Actually I don't very well understand what "foreign exchange loss" suppose to mean. I need a basic lesson on accounting and/or economics to clear things up.

Nintendo's sales are mainly made abroad, so they recieve their payment in USD and EUR. It's naturally to expect they are to be hit by exchange rates this year harder than last year (afaik USD is ~5 yen cheaper on average for reporting period, EUR compared to yen is down a few points as well, though overall sales are lower than the same quarter sales last year). They netted $475 in Q1 of FY 3/2010, how these marginal changes in exchange rates translate into net loss of $283M?

UPD: Well, according to the article on the site the main factor responsible for such a loss is likely DS HW, which is almost 50% down this quarter, coupled with price cuts:

DS: 5.97M / 29.09M (2009) -> 3.15M / 22.42M (2010)
Wii: 2.23M / 31.07M (2009) -> 3.04M / 28.17M (2010)

I wonder how big is the margin at which they're selling DS hardware if it incurred such losses? =)



mai said:
Viper1 said:
M.U.G.E.N said:

Ninty posted a huge loss (what R&D? lol most of the R&D isn't done by them, spin it all you want)


Actually Nintendo had a $500 million but took on a $794 million one time exchange rate charge resulting in the posted $288 million loss.

 

No spin, just facts.

Actually I don't very well understand what "foreign exchange loss" suppose to mean. I need a basic lesson on accounting and/or economics to clear things up.

Nintendo's sales are mainly made abroad, so they recieve their payment in USDEUR. It's naturally to expect they are to be hit by exchange rates this year harder than last year (afaik USD is ~5 yen cheaper on average for reporting period, EUR compared to yen is down a few points as well, though overall sales are lower than for the same quarter last year). They netted $475 in Q1 of FY 3/2010, how these marginal changes in exchange rates translate into net loss of $283M?


:P cuz cuz cuz cuz this kinda thing only afffects Ninty where as MS and Sony are immune to stuff like this...DUH!



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mai said:
Viper1 said:
M.U.G.E.N said:

Ninty posted a huge loss (what R&D? lol most of the R&D isn't done by them, spin it all you want)


Actually Nintendo had a $500 million but took on a $794 million one time exchange rate charge resulting in the posted $288 million loss.

 

No spin, just facts.

Actually I don't very well understand what "foreign exchange loss" suppose to mean. I need a basic lesson on accounting and/or economics to clear things up.

Nintendo's sales are mainly made abroad, so they recieve their payment in USD and EUR. It's naturally to expect they are to be hit by exchange rates this year harder than last year (afaik USD is ~5 yen cheaper on average for reporting period, EUR compared to yen is down a few points as well, though overall sales are lower than the same quarter sales last year). They netted $475 in Q1 of FY 3/2010, how these marginal changes in exchange rates translate into net loss of $283M?

UPD: Well, according to the article on the site the main factor responsible for such a loss is likely DS HW, which is almost 50% down this quarter, coupled with price cuts:

DS - 3.15m / 22.42m (2009) - 5.97m / 29.09m (2010)
Wii - 3.04m / 28.17m (2009) - 2.23m / 31.07m (2010)

I wonder how big is the margin at which they're selling DS hardware if it incurred such losses? =)

Take a product that generates $20 profit per sale.  Sell 2 million and you get $40 million in profit.  Now say the following year you only sell 1 million.  Now profits are only $20 million.  So even though sales are down by a lot, you still profit.  As this relates to the point in hand, just because sales were down, that doesn't translate into losses by any means.  It just means less profit than before.

Now the $794 million one time exchange charge could mean a few things sucha as Nintendo moving some of it's financial holdings from the Yen to the Dollar, an asset exchange involving the Yen and Dollar or any of several other things that basically involve the 2 currencies.

They did the same thing in 2004 or 2005 and it marked the first quarterly loss in their 100 year history.  This marks the second and it's for the same reason.



The rEVOLution is not being televised

Looking at Tri's first quarter, it did pretty well actually at 690,000.  Capcom never gave a specific expectation for the west, but most have assumed it was 800k based on their original MH3 projection (way back before the western delay).

For comparison, MHFU did 400k it's first quarter in the west (though it also released later in the quarter), and Capcom had expected 900k (lol).



Viper1 said:

1) Take a product that generates $20 profit per sale.  Sell 2 million and you get $40 million in profit.  Now say the following year you only sell 1 million.  Now profits are only $20 million.  So even though sales are down by a lot, you still profit.  As this relates to the point in hand, just because sales were down, that doesn't translate into losses by any means.  It just means less profit than before.

2) Now the $794 million one time exchange charge could mean a few things sucha as Nintendo moving some of it's financial holdings from the Yen to the Dollar, an asset exchange involving the Yen and Dollar or any of several other things that basically involve the 2 currencies.

They did the same thing in 2004 or 2005 and it marked the first quarterly loss in their 100 year history.  This marks the second and it's for the same reason.

1) I didn't mean to say that they lost on DS HW sales, I've implied that there're must be some unknown expenses (massive buyout or smth?) that weren't compensated by reduced profit made on HW/SW sales.

2) Well, that's what I thought just after I wrote my last post. It seems I just needed some clarification on English accounting terminology I'm unfamiliar with =) Thanks.