Fallout 3, like Oblivion needs at least 10 hours put in before you "get it" or at least that was the way it was for me. I now rate them as two of my top games this Gen which should say something about both games (or my taste) quality

It picks up.

Because it is Oblivion with Guns. LOL

lol, fyi, every new successful franchise is some old genre "with guns," in gaming. I'm just waiting for LBP2 to get guns a outsell Gran Turismo. It's about time we got some .50's in that game to, btw.

False. WoW has outsold almost every game this generation, and combined with expansion packs it cetrianly is in the top 5, and it has no guns.

- Tons of exploration/free roaming (you can literally play the game for HOURS without even doing the missions)
- Cool selection of weapons
- Levelling/skills system
- Cool karma system
- Tons of missions and side missions that are great
- The DLC is good (except maybe operation anchorage and the alien one)
- Characters are awesome and the game has awesome dialogue
- Awesome setting (post apocalyptic Washington DC is a great setting)

Its such an amazing game. I don't know how you don't enjoy it. Its not perfect but its very fun.

The game did feel weak. Considering when Fallout 2 came out, and that Fallout 3 was worse than it, I can't help but call it a disappointment.

My Dwarven hunter begs to differ.

You must have never played WoW? It's full of guns.

Upon my recent revisiting of the series "GoG ftw" I found that the games have stood up horribly in the gameplay and graphics departments. Frankly, the only reason these games are so well remembered is because of the excellent though over-rated writing and humor, but the actual games are antiquated and in modern times, irrelivant considering less than 10 percent of gamers on this forum would be able to enjoy them at all thanks to said deficencies related to their release date and their nature as a slow paced, turn based RPG with a humerous narrative/narrator that bleeds nostalga.

In rose colored glasses land, old games are the only great games, and indeed, some older games like Pac-Man and Super Mario Brothers do stand the test of time thanks to their simple, intuitive, and fun gameplay, but if you've never visited the world of Fallout 2, and are thinking about taking the plunge, let me make a suggestion. Download the script. This is not one of those games that stands up well, with artstyle, or gameplay. In fact, pixilated mess doesn't begin to describe it.(BTW, I've just realized that graphics only matter on a PC game when you're contemplating potential, and even PC gamers admit, their best games have shitty graphics)

Fallout 3 was doomed to fail in many people's eyes, yours included Vlad. There was absolutely no way it could have suceeded, and it's certainly not because the game is deficient in any way, nor is it because you share a similar dislike for the game, as the OP. The reason is simple. Instead of juding the game by its own merits, and appreciating it as a modern reinvigoration and intricately detailed well made lovingly crafted fucking loyal homage to one of your favorite masterpieces, you saw it as a challenge to the percieved quality of said masterpiece. No matter how great the game was(and make no mistake, it was fucking magic in my book) it wouldn't have cut mustard. Nothing else to say really. Granted, some disliked the game for their own reasons, just as with any game. The top reason being, "This is not Fallout 2 with graphical upgrades" but I digress.

That's the thing that gets me about a lot of PC fans, too. None of the new games stack up compared to their old favorites. That is, of course, directly opposite of console fans, who shit and giggle over every modern 1up we have the pleasure of playing(Galaxy 2, Uncharted 2, Gears 2, on and on and on.) Some would say that this signals the heyday of PC gaming has past and the console generation is upon us, but I disagree. I think TOB, Mario Galaxy, Fallout 3, ME2, LBP, Uncharted 2, are just as good of a game as any of the old "favorites" and I think most of those old "classics(some of which have never been appreciated by the reviewer community, if you care to gamerankings)" are the safe, time honored arguments, to which we cling. As romantic as it sounds, to go back and replay Baldur's Gate II, after my previous experiences with Fallout II, I can tell you I've been spolied. I've been spolied by Voice Acting, and graphics, and control, and gameplay, and presentation, and all of the modern aminities that gaming has brought....god have you heard some of the VA in Deus Ex, in the last few years?

Sure, Fallout II invented the wheel, but let me present an analogy.

Fallout II

Fallout III

Now yes, the squiggly lines in the antiquated "tire" do make me laugh and endear me to its neanderthal lobbiest, but let's talk functionality for a second...fully featured modern tire > funny, but made of rock tire, for most people.

Think of it, Fallout II is funny, but it plays out kind of slow and rough. It's ugly as shit, and most people wouldn't use it nowadays, gamers have changed. Fallout 3 is a fully functional modern mammoth of a game, and it's not funny, but it can't go flat, and it is the sheer epitomy of badass. Of course that's just me, lol.

That said...opinions....objective...yadayadayada....Big Mama's House 2 vs The Godfather argument, ect.

Quick example, if it was even mildly as good as Fallout 2, I would have been able to walk up to Little Town and shot up all those retarded kids.

I am also sorry, but Fallout 2 is all around better given that graphics don't really count, you get a lot more "freedom" than you did in FO3. You are also very confused, because I can tell you right now, X-COM is better than any and every game released, and System Shock 2 is STILL better than BioShock. I have indeed replayed them. What pisses me off about the new generation of gamers is that they are actually ignorant of what a good game is because they never actually played the older games.

This also does not go only for PC games.SMB3 and Super Mario World are better than most platformers even today, definitely better than that phlegmatic retarded character in LBP, only game that you can argue is better at platforming are the new super mario bors. games. Funny, because they basically rip off everything from those originals. Recent agmes are jsut worse than previous ones, and not just on the PC.

Also, good thing you broufght up movies. They can easily be used as the same analogy. Godfather is just better in every way than Iron Man except for CGI, and only the immature give a damn about the CGI so much. In fact just like in movies, the more CGI improved, the more the genre started to produce crap.