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DirtyP2002 said:
theprof00 said:
DirtyP2002 said:
theprof00 said:
PS3 is ahead of 360 by 2.5M since september. a 50$ price cut and slim is nothing compared to what Sony did last e3.


The redesign and the pricecut happened after the E3 @ gamescom in Germany.

And it remains to be seen how a Xbox 360 slim with Natal a $50 pricecut and a Halo-launch will work out.

what?

It was shown during sonys press conference at e3 right?

Oh wow you're right!

Anyhoo, It is hard to predict what any of that will do. Halo will sell a bunch of copies, but it's not Halo 4, 50$ cut at an already more than affordable price, slim isn't much of a difference...Natal is the key to all of this. It will be interesting to see what happens, but it's not like that collection of things is a powerhouse, it's just a collection of things.

A price cut is always a powerhouse. The last one is 18 months ago (except the $50 one  olny for the elite and only in NA).

A redesign is always a powerhouse, look at PS2 slim, PSP 3000 (not the Go lol),  DS Lite, PS3 Slim. A redesign 5 years after release would be perfect.

Natal might be a powerhouse.

But you can bet that MS will spend millions of dollars to let everybody know that there is a redesign, a halo, a Fable, a price cut and Natal. If this really happens (I have no doubts to be honest) MS will make the biggest marketing push in this industry.

DS-DSlite-> http://vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=DS&reg1=All&cons2=PS3&reg2=All&cons3=X360&reg3=All&start=38732&end=39516

no change

PSP 3000 http://vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=PSP&reg1=All&cons2=PS3&reg2=All&cons3=X360&reg3=All&start=39600&end=40174

sold 140k more than it normally would have, for one week.

 

360 elite price cut http://vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=PSP&reg1=All&cons2=PS3&reg2=All&cons3=X360&reg3=All&start=39600&end=40174

doesn't even register!

same graph for the 2008 price drop, went from 105 to 150k then 170k then back down 140.

 

These two things are incomparable. They are not a major factor. It worked for ps3 because of what everyone's been saying about the sweet spot. It exists. It's there. The ps3 change to slim was not even an issue. It was the 100$ price cut that opeend the gates, so try to understand this from a logical view.

 

The big question mark is NATAL. Halo will sell units, it will sell consoles and it will be very popular...but it doesn't affect anything when in combination with other things. The most you are going to see from these 3 things, slim, cut, halo is maybe 60-100k extra for a couple of weeks.

Natal is the game changer. Nothing else.

 



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Max King of the Wild said:
Ping_ii said:
DirtyP2002 said:
Ping_ii said:
Will $199 + GT5 + Move bundle from Sony be the end of 360?


no, Sonys end. They would be broke.

 

OT: Nothing will kill the PS3, Xbox 360 or Wii. Except MS, Sony or Nintendo themselves.

Didn't ppl say the same thing IF sony cuts ps3 price to $299 last year?


Yes they were. And I was called a stupid fanboy because I was the only one who said they could pull it off.


The PS3 won't be profitable overall. That is what I said and that is what happened. The profits the division reported were mainly driven by the Vaio laptops. And of course the PSP and PS2. The PS3 itself is still not profitable. It would have been if it was $400 though. But Sony really had to do something, otherwise the PS3 would have lost more and more marketshare. Next quarter might be positive though, even for the PS3.

A $199 would mean another year of losses for the PS3. And with a $199 product you need to sell a LOT to cover a 6 billion loss that the PS3 made in the years before.



There once was a great sig here, but it got killed.

A moment of silence would be appreciated.

o and the $50 a year i mentioned was for xbox live.



KylieDog said:
Console price is not everything.


tell that to the millions that are still buying a ps2



KylieDog said:
Console price is not everything.

yeah your right, its probably just about 80% so yeah no big deal. (sarcasm)



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gaming_addict24 said:
theprof00 said:
Lyrikalstylez said:
gaming_addict24 said:
Lyrikalstylez said:
Tanstalas said:
Lyrikalstylez said:

Well basicly having 360 go head 2 head with ps3 at $300 is insane, because ps3 has more money for your buck

but lets say a $200 360 slim vs a $300 ps3 slim is where Sony is gonna sweat because it puts 360 at equal value......

So in the end, the console war between these two will be decided on the games

Equal value?

Not to sound fanboyish, but after $100 for the wifi adapter you are sitting at both consoles being $300 again.

And then PS3 still has Bluetooth, Built-in controller battery (for 360 I think it's like $50 for the battery pack?  Been awhile since I bought mine) and a Blu-ray player..


Casual Gamers dont care about that stuff, all they care about is the console price....So seeing one way cheaper that the other is a huge advantage

besides I never use those things on my ps3 anyways....So its just a waste

you don't use blu-ray!?!?


im talking about the wifi and blue-tooth on ps3...plus since I bought Dark Knight I havent really been watching blu-ray movies as much since the redbox were  I rent my movies still dont carry them, so I just watch hd dvd's on my 360

plus I bought the rechargable battery pack fon 360 for only $20

I mostly just play games on a Gaming Console

HDDVD?

excuse me for a minute....

EL-OH-EL-OH-EL-OH-EL-OH-EL-OH-EL-OH-EL-OH-EL-OH-EL-OH-EL-OH-EL-OH-EL-OH-EL-OH

The price points for 360 is the base cost. They expect the console to be bought for kids or people who don't know any better, or who don't want/need anything more than the arcade. In every situation, 360 is the most expensive console this gen...it's just that when you first buy it, it is the cheapest.

The ~200 dollar area is impulse purchase level for buying consoles. 360 is already in it, PS3 is one foot in it. But that's a different story for a different day.

thanks for making a point.

maybe now ppl will finely stop being so arrogant and realize that the 360 is the most expensive console on the market.

its $50!!! extra dollars a year just to do something that the ps3 does for FREE!!!

plus the cost of batteries.

plus the cost for the $100 Wi-Fi add-on that also comes free on ps3.

plus blu-ray and free internet browsing, and blue tooth.

buying a 360 is a waste of money!!!!!!!!!! in my opinion.

and all the exclusives come out on PC so if you want the exclusives just get a pc!!

There is no doubt that the 360 is the most expensive cost this gen. I switched to PS3 ever since i realized that(2 years ago). All im saying is that most people dont care that PS3 has all of this. I know some people that dont even know what wifi is. Sony also does not do a good job telling people that the PS3 has all of this. They should do an add or something showing how the 360 will end up being expensive. Whenever i go to best buy i never see a poster or anything telling you the online is free. Sony needs to do a better job of informing everyone what the PS3 can do.



Lyrikalstylez said:
KylieDog said:
Console price is not everything.


tell that to the millions that are still buying a ps2


You mean the console with the most games ever created and is still getting exclusives 10 years later?



Max King of the Wild said:
Lyrikalstylez said:
KylieDog said:
Console price is not everything.


tell that to the millions that are still buying a ps2


You mean the console with the most games ever created and is still getting exclusives 10 years later?

and just had launch parties in several poorer countries.



SpartenOmega117 said:
gaming_addict24 said:
theprof00 said:
Lyrikalstylez said:
gaming_addict24 said:
Lyrikalstylez said:
Tanstalas said:
Lyrikalstylez said:

Well basicly having 360 go head 2 head with ps3 at $300 is insane, because ps3 has more money for your buck

but lets say a $200 360 slim vs a $300 ps3 slim is where Sony is gonna sweat because it puts 360 at equal value......

So in the end, the console war between these two will be decided on the games

Equal value?

Not to sound fanboyish, but after $100 for the wifi adapter you are sitting at both consoles being $300 again.

And then PS3 still has Bluetooth, Built-in controller battery (for 360 I think it's like $50 for the battery pack?  Been awhile since I bought mine) and a Blu-ray player..


Casual Gamers dont care about that stuff, all they care about is the console price....So seeing one way cheaper that the other is a huge advantage

besides I never use those things on my ps3 anyways....So its just a waste

you don't use blu-ray!?!?


im talking about the wifi and blue-tooth on ps3...plus since I bought Dark Knight I havent really been watching blu-ray movies as much since the redbox were  I rent my movies still dont carry them, so I just watch hd dvd's on my 360

plus I bought the rechargable battery pack fon 360 for only $20

I mostly just play games on a Gaming Console

HDDVD?

excuse me for a minute....

EL-OH-EL-OH-EL-OH-EL-OH-EL-OH-EL-OH-EL-OH-EL-OH-EL-OH-EL-OH-EL-OH-EL-OH-EL-OH

The price points for 360 is the base cost. They expect the console to be bought for kids or people who don't know any better, or who don't want/need anything more than the arcade. In every situation, 360 is the most expensive console this gen...it's just that when you first buy it, it is the cheapest.

The ~200 dollar area is impulse purchase level for buying consoles. 360 is already in it, PS3 is one foot in it. But that's a different story for a different day.

thanks for making a point.

maybe now ppl will finely stop being so arrogant and realize that the 360 is the most expensive console on the market.

its $50!!! extra dollars a year just to do something that the ps3 does for FREE!!!

plus the cost of batteries.

plus the cost for the $100 Wi-Fi add-on that also comes free on ps3.

plus blu-ray and free internet browsing, and blue tooth.

buying a 360 is a waste of money!!!!!!!!!! in my opinion.

and all the exclusives come out on PC so if you want the exclusives just get a pc!!

There is no doubt that the 360 is the most expensive cost this gen. I switched to PS3 ever since i realized that(2 years ago). All im saying is that most people dont care that PS3 has all of this. I know some people that dont even know what wifi is. Sony also does not do a good job telling people that the PS3 has all of this. They should do an add or something showing how the 360 will end up being expensive. Whenever i go to best buy i never see a poster or anything telling you the online is free. Sony needs to do a better job of informing everyone what the PS3 can do.

indeed...

but don't forget word of mouth!!!



theprof00 said:
Max King of the Wild said:
Lyrikalstylez said:
KylieDog said:
Console price is not everything.


tell that to the millions that are still buying a ps2


You mean the console with the most games ever created and is still getting exclusives 10 years later?

and just had launch parties in several poorer countries.

lmao.