| o_O.Q said:
Lol well there's little point in accepting you're wrong for something that was never claimed by you wouldn't you agree? Shall I go back and show you allow the examples? What I'll say here is that you should follow your own advice acknowledge where you claimed I said things that I never did or in other words where you were wrong
Lol you did you said I was trying to make religion look bad because I brought up some of the negatives associated with it
" They share the same core values and beliefs but they are distictly different in their traditions and there own beliefs. "
Lol... Um... That long rant on the different sects was wholly irrelevant to the point I made... regardless of differing beliefs the point remains that what defines them as christian is the beliefs they have and I don't see how anyone that understands what a belief system is could argue otherwise
Finally regardless of if you want to acknowledge religion's contribution to certain atrocities or not the fact remains that it did Arguing that oh people have the ability to choose! Is nonsensical if you're speaking of a belief system that is supposed to teach you how to behave... It's that resulting behavior that in some instances causes atrocities |
This argument can wholly be simpllified as, "I am defining Religion and Christianity, as whatever I want to justify my argument."
The only thing irrelevant is your defintion. There is no strict definition on what a Christian is, there are no mandates, its not a set of rules. Its simply a set of beliefs. People who identify as Christians hold those beliefs as their own values, but depending on their own interpretation.
You're trying to somehow rationlize this and I'm telling you that it pointless.
You don't seem to understand what faith is. What religion actually is.
All you're doing is making assumptions about something you don't understand to fit your perogative.
I don't know how I can make this any more simpler, if you can't understand this then you obviously don't have the comprehension skills for this level of rational thought and abstraction:
Religions are just a set of beliefs/values, ideas, they are not even physical objects. They cannot do anything.
People might use it to commit any number of atrocities, but it is the people who commited those actions. You don't blame water for tortuting people in water boarding. You don't lock that water in a container and store it underground for 20 years to rehabilitate it. Its fucking water.
Everything else you've said is a pointless assumption that you have made. You say their is a rigid defintion for Christianity, when many Christians don't even regard other Sects as Christian because they don't have the same beliefs. You attempt to frame Christianity and Religion as a whole in a rational sense so you can critizice it while paradoxically building your argument around the idea that Religion is irrational.
It is irrational, it is subjective, because its based of faith (belief i.e "Because I said so") not fact. Some Christians might claim that the Bible is entirely factual, and that is what they belief, obviously its wrong, its obviously irrational, and its obviously faith.
If their is a requirement it is subjective, only up to whatever the person observing it defines it as. What is objective is what religion is and that is a set of beliefs as I have said before.
The irrationality of this argument is mindboggling, you are effectively trying to tell me that rocks systematically attack people.
EDIT: Lets further hit home how idiotic this point is in the rock metaphor. Because Rocks are heavy objects, it coerces people to put them down, but if they are angry at someone, they might want to put it down on their heads, solving to dual purpose of putting the rock down and solving their anger problem. Obviously, if someone isn't above the person they want to hit, then they have to throw the rock to move it.
Better yet, please explain to me how rocks weren't used as tools by slavers to pacify slaves through punishment.
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