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Nu-13 said:
JRPGfan said:

^ that cannot be done with todays technology....

I think maybe you can get a Switch 2, thats around where the Base PS4 is (when docked).
That could probably be possible in 2021.

That would mean Switch 1 -> Switch 2, is a jump of x3-4 times in terms of power.

My, I can't even begin here. For starters, we're talking about something coming 3 years from now. Today's technology being irrelevant. A system like the switch could have released last month while already being more powerful than a ps4. And no, the gap between the switch and ps4 isn't 3-4x, more like 2-2.25.

Seeing that the A12x in the 2018 IPad Pro is the only chip on the market that even comes close to your claim (and not that close either, it has Xbox One S like performance according to apple) and the cheapest device it‘s in goes for 800$+, what you‘re saying is pretty outlandish.

Also todays technology is extremely relevant to a product coming out 2-3 years from now, seeing that the tegra x1 is a 2015 chip in a 2017 product. And even then it was only really cost effective to use it in the Switch since it was somewhat of a dead end for Nvidia, who pivoted away from gaming applications with the successor chips hard. Nvidia had stock to clear and Nintendo got a good deal.

It‘s fair to assume that Nvidia is working on something more custom and for Nintendos next console, and they’re probably going to make sure that it has the most current architecture, but it‘s not going to be some monster, top of the line chip if they want to have any chance of maintaining a 300$ pricepoint.



I want some sort of virtual community back in play for the Switch. Miiverse was great...if not a little wonky. But somethingt like a NintendoLand that was actually more like Playstation Home would be great. I want the ability to showcase the titles I've played, any records I've got in those games, and to be able to digitally represent me as a gamer. Even something as simple as the environments in games like deBlob or something would be nice. There really is a lack of connectivity in the Switch's environemnent and it's noticable.



Nu-13 said:
JRPGfan said:

^ that cannot be done with todays technology....

I think maybe you can get a Switch 2, thats around where the Base PS4 is (when docked).
That could probably be possible in 2021.

That would mean Switch 1 -> Switch 2, is a jump of x3-4 times in terms of power.

My, I can't even begin here. For starters, we're talking about something coming 3 years from now. Today's technology being irrelevant. A system like the switch could have released last month while already being more powerful than a ps4. And no, the gap between the switch and ps4 isn't 3-4x, more like 2-2.25.

Even in 5 years that won't be possible without having less than 1 hour of battery life or a handheld that weights a ton. Maybe by 2028 or so they could do so effectively, but with Moore's Law looming ahead, I have my doubts.

Also, Nintendo by far and large prefers using proven technology rather than the newest non-plus-ultra bleeding edge tech. In 3 years Nintendo will be using today's technology as far as computing hardware goes.

Switch can reach about 400 GFlops docked and 240 GFlops undocked. Even just the XBO S is over 3x in terms of raw performance compared to docked Switch, PS4 even almost 5x as powerful. Even the beefiest Smartphone chips can't reach that yet, Snapdragon 855+ stands at around 1000 GFlops - and if you game on those something that fully uses the power, either their battery is sucked empty in short notice or the chips are downclocked to save battery, at cost of lowered performance.

Finally, despite the rather weak performance compared to the consoles, the main gripe players had was not performance, but battery life. Hence why Nintendo used the new chip from NVidia not to enhance performance, but battery life.

In short, if by 2024 a successor to the Switch will come out (I don't expect one earlier unless Switch sales start to tank like those of the Wii) and will still be a hybrid console like the Switch, it will probably be much closer to XBO S performance and not come anywhere near XBO X.



What do I want from Switch 2? A March 3rd 2024 release date, so this amazing Switch 1 train ride never ends!

That and bring back the virtual console!



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Internal storage. I have 70 cartridges, 5 64gb sd cards and a 128gb sd card. Kind of nerfs the portability aspect.



Cucumberry said:
Internal storage. I have 70 cartridges, 5 64gb sd cards and a 128gb sd card. Kind of nerfs the portability aspect.

That's something I expect in an update to the Switch next year or in 2021. An expansion to 64 or 128GB internal memory instead of a pricecut. For a Switch 2 in 2024 I would rather expect 256-512GB of internal memory, though.



Slownenberg said:
SwitchUP said:
I never understood why people think that a portable will be as powerful as x system... it's just not going to happen.

As for the switch 2... I'd of course like a jump in power as well. But, I differ for the rest than everyone. I see the switch's screen as an excellent one. I'd be more than happy to keep the screen and have the extra power go into games in every other area ASIDE from resolution.

Then I'd love proper chat system, better layout for the eshop, folders on the home screen, and custom backgrounds too.

I would also love it if Nintendo themselves had more variety for joycons outside of simple colors. I have the hori split pad pro and I absolutely love it. I'd love to see Nintendo do this too. A gamecube split pad? Sign me up. Theres a huge market there, I think.

You don't understand why people compare the power of different systems? Why don't you understand that? Seems pretty natural to compare the power of different systems. Why can a portable system not be as powerful as a home console? Pretty sure Switch is more powerful than every home console ever made other than PS4 and XboxOne. Obviously portable systems can be as powerful as older home consoles. Portables don't exist as some inferior technology that can never be as powerful as any home console.

I can agree that Switch 2 doesn't necessarily need a screen upgrade, I mean do you REALLY need more than 720p on that small of a screen? Probably not. I think certainly at like 1080p on that size there is no reason to ever go above that. I just feel like lots of people will complain if the screen doesn't get upgraded to 1080p like 6 years later. If its a cost matter I'd certainly rather get a little more power rather than an upgraded screen. I think it should do 4k in docked mode though cuz by then 4k will probably be fairly standard for new TVs.

Interesting idea about different joycon splits, though because the joycons have to split into two separate controllers I feel like the current SNES-style design is the only one that really works. Like a gamecube joycon split wouldn't work at all when you actually split them.

You dont understand what I said. I didnt say anything about not understanding why people compare systems. I said, I dont understand why people expect portable hardware to match things like the ps4 pro. Nothing portable is even close to the pro. Not even close.

Portable hardware does exist on another level entirely. They will always be inferior because they can only get so much performance from a chip without killing a battery in 5 minutes. 

 People should keep their expectations of mobile chips in reality. Unless you know something I dont, the next switch wont be equal to a ps4 pro... not even in 2023. Even the most expensive devices cant match the xbox 1 fat. 

I hope I'm a bit more clear now, I think I didnt do a very good job in my first post about that.

Last edited by SwitchUP - on 30 December 2019

Bofferbrauer2 said:
Cucumberry said:
Internal storage. I have 70 cartridges, 5 64gb sd cards and a 128gb sd card. Kind of nerfs the portability aspect.

That's something I expect in an update to the Switch next year or in 2021. An expansion to 64 or 128GB internal memory instead of a pricecut. For a Switch 2 in 2024 I would rather expect 256-512GB of internal memory, though.

I'm thinking a Switch Premium will come out at $300 in 2021 which among other things will have like 128gb.

For Switch 2 that sounds about right, they're not gonna do a ton because that'd raise the price of the system, so it'll probably be 256 at most, though honestly given that they only did 32gb this time I wouldn't be surprised if we all get disappointed again and they only do 128gb next time.

I have 4 cartridges and a 200gb sd card and still have a few gigs left on the system and like 95+ gigs on the sd card. So despite having 32 games, 28 of them digital, I've only used about 130gb so far. Assuming games get a bit bigger next gen, 256gb seems like it'd be user friendly and only really serious gamers who download dozens of games would need an sd card.



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JRPGfan said:
Slownenberg said:

Power-wise I'm thinking PS4 Pro level power. 1080p screen. 4k capable when docked. Hopefully a small enough gap from the other next gen systems to get more support from 3rd party graphically downgraded but still good AAA games than Switch.

^ that cannot be done with todays technology....

I think maybe you can get a Switch 2, thats around where the Base PS4 is (when docked).
That could probably be possible in 2021.

That would mean Switch 1 -> Switch 2, is a jump of x3-4 times in terms of power.

Well thought out. I would add bluetooth functionality for head phones and accessories. Larger storage capacity right out of the box. Fixing the Joy con drift issues would go a long way ( after two years of use my right Joy Con is starting to drift.) A 1080p screen with HDR. PS4 like horse power will be a significant leap in Nintendo first party games so that would suffice.