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uran10 said:

Sad to see Yang Go, But I'm very Happy that Bernie is doing well. Also Micheal Bennet just dropped out as well according to the Hill tv

26% in a state he took 60% of last time is not doing well. He should be doing better



Mnementh said:

That's pretty bad. Biden and Klobuchar need to drop out and support Buttigieg



SpokenTruth said:
DarthJarvis said:

26% in a state he took 60% of last time is not doing well. He should be doing better

27% of votes with a 22% polling.  That means he is over-performing tonight.

He also was up against just Clinton in 2016.  He had to compete against 10 other candidates tonight.

This is spin. He was projected to grab 15 delegates tonight. 





SpokenTruth said:
DarthJarvis said:

This is spin. He was projected to grab 15 delegates tonight. 

Source?  Because nobody was projecting him to get 60% (15 delegates).

That's not how it works. You need 15% to grab delegates. So if he got 15% and everyone else got 14 or below hed get 24 delegates 



SpokenTruth said:
DarthJarvis said:

That's not how it works. You need 15% to grab delegates. So if he got 15% and everyone else got 14 or below hed get 24 delegates 

15 delegates (60% of the vote) is what he got in 2016.  How in the hell can anybody expect that to be replicated with 10 more candidates?

Look, I already explained it to you. I cant help you accept it 



SpokenTruth said:
DarthJarvis said:

Look, I already explained it to you. I cant help you accept it 

Yes, and 3 candidates have exceeded that threshold.  5 had been near or above 15% in the state polls.  Projecting 15 delegates is just bad math.

Buttigieg was polling at 20% and Klobuchar at 10%. Beating Buttigieg by 1.8% and dropping is not good



SpokenTruth said:
DarthJarvis said:

Buttigieg was polling at 20% and Klobuchar at 10%. Beating Buttigieg by 1.8% and dropping is not good

That's Buttigieg and Klobuchar over-performing, not Sanders under-performing.  538 had Sanders at 26%.  He currently has 26.1% of the votes.  He is exactly where he is expected to be. 

This is clear spin. Obviously, you're a bernie guy. However, the fact of the matter is (and I already posted the picture) Bernie's numbers were low 30s high 20s with only a couple of polls putting him mid 20s. The average was 28. He settled at 26. He definitely did not win. Again, this region is his strong hold. This is where he needs to pick up his delegates.  He failed to do so. 

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DarthJarvis said:
SpokenTruth said:

That's Buttigieg and Klobuchar over-performing, not Sanders under-performing.  538 had Sanders at 26%.  He currently has 26.1% of the votes.  He is exactly where he is expected to be. 

This is clear spin. Obviously, you're a bernie guy. However, the fact of the matter is (and I already posted the picture) Bernie's numbers were low 30s high 20s with only a couple of polls putting him mid 20s. The average was 28. He settled at 26. He definitely did not win. Again, this region is his strong hold. This is where he needs to pick up his delegates.  He failed to do so. 

Nope, the polling average was at 26% just before the election: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-primary-d/new-hampshire/

As such, Bernie did about as expected, just slightly below it with 25.7%

Buttigieg and Klobuchar overperformed while Warren and Biden underperformed. Steyer and Tulsi also did a bit better than expected.



Bofferbrauer2 said:
DarthJarvis said:

This is clear spin. Obviously, you're a bernie guy. However, the fact of the matter is (and I already posted the picture) Bernie's numbers were low 30s high 20s with only a couple of polls putting him mid 20s. The average was 28. He settled at 26. He definitely did not win. Again, this region is his strong hold. This is where he needs to pick up his delegates.  He failed to do so. 

Nope, the polling average was at 26% just before the election: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-primary-d/new-hampshire/

As such, Bernie did about as expected, just slightly below it with 25.7%

Buttigieg and Klobuchar overperformed while Warren and Biden underperformed. Steyer and Tulsi also did a bit better than expected.

You realize theres literal places that compile all poll data. RCP had his average at 28.7. 270towin had it a little lower. His actual was 25.7. Despite all of that, he was still projected to grab 15 delegates. It was absolutely a poor showing for bernie.