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darthdevidem01 on 03 February 2010

I thought oblivion was one of the best games of all time!!



All hail the KING, Andrespetmonkey

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Senlis on 03 February 2010
lestatdark said:
Senlis said:

+ Valkyria Chronicles

- Oblivion.

 

I played the PC version of Oblivion too.  I played it quite a bit trying to like it.  I really liked Morrowind and the whole open world concept.  However, Oblivion ruins the experience taking all immersion out of the game.  It is a combination of a lot of little things that does it: Fast travel system and monster leveling are good examples.

I know a lot of people say, "You can fix that with mods, and then the game will be fun".  If that is the case, the game is broken.

I hate Oblivion because I tried so hard to like it; I tried playing it so many times and wasted so much time only to figure out that, while the concept is fun, the game is not.

Yatzee outlines it very well.  Just keep in mind I had these opinions before I watched this video

I agree that after Morrowind, Oblivion feels like a shallow and superficial game. Oblivion had much of the HD glam to it, but the compromise was a lot of gameplay and diversity cut off.

I don't agree with your mods assesment though. Mods are the heart and soul of most current PC games, since they can not only fix the game, they can enhance it further. Developers don't have the time nor the ideas that a whole modding community can have, nor should anyone expect a group of developers, which in Bethesda case is pretty small, have the same capacity that ten of thousands of modders can have to enhace a game.

I could give you tons of examples in which mods have impact positively on a critically appraised game, but I'm staying with the examples of HL2 and KOTOR. 

Mods are great additions to a well crafted game.  I never used the mods on HL2, and haven't played much KOTOR (though I want to).  What I can say is that HL2 is a well designed game that leaves little to be desired.  Mods are great for those fans of the game who want some more replayability from said game.

Let me quote a line from my previous post.

"I know a lot of people say, "You can fix that with mods, and then the game will be fun".  If that is the case, the game is broken."

If a mod is used to fix bad designs choice in a game, the game still has bad design.  You may be able to piece together a decent game, but it is not the proper way for developers to use the modding system.  That mentaility encourages laziness, letting the developers think "the community will fix this".

Bottom line: I should be able to pick up any game and play it as is and enjoy the experience.  Modding comes later after I have beaten the game and want to add more replayability.  If I think a game is not fun when I play it, I am not going to bother with Mods.

I want to add a disclaimer that I don't think Oblivion is the worst game in the world.  there are several games out there that is worse than Oblivion.  Oblivion is the game I wanted to like, but couldn't and wasted a lot of time thinking it would be fun.  It is the game that showed the most promise, but was the greatest dissapointment.




 

iLLmaticV3 on 03 February 2010

+ Final Fantasy Versus XIII.

- Blue Dragon.



Odd. Future. Wolf. Gang. Kill. Em. All. OFWGKTA Don't give a fuck!

Fuck Steve Harvey. FREE EARL!

Final Fantasy Versus XIII will be the GREATEST game EVER made!!!

I'd take a bullet for Square-Enix! 

 

Son1x on 03 February 2010

+Valkyria Chronicles
-Blue Dragon



"And yet, I've realized that maybe living a "decent" life means you won't ever have a "good" life."

 

lestatdark on 03 February 2010
Senlis said:
lestatdark said:
Senlis said:

+ Valkyria Chronicles

- Oblivion.

 

I played the PC version of Oblivion too.  I played it quite a bit trying to like it.  I really liked Morrowind and the whole open world concept.  However, Oblivion ruins the experience taking all immersion out of the game.  It is a combination of a lot of little things that does it: Fast travel system and monster leveling are good examples.

I know a lot of people say, "You can fix that with mods, and then the game will be fun".  If that is the case, the game is broken.

I hate Oblivion because I tried so hard to like it; I tried playing it so many times and wasted so much time only to figure out that, while the concept is fun, the game is not.

Yatzee outlines it very well.  Just keep in mind I had these opinions before I watched this video

I agree that after Morrowind, Oblivion feels like a shallow and superficial game. Oblivion had much of the HD glam to it, but the compromise was a lot of gameplay and diversity cut off.

I don't agree with your mods assesment though. Mods are the heart and soul of most current PC games, since they can not only fix the game, they can enhance it further. Developers don't have the time nor the ideas that a whole modding community can have, nor should anyone expect a group of developers, which in Bethesda case is pretty small, have the same capacity that ten of thousands of modders can have to enhace a game.

I could give you tons of examples in which mods have impact positively on a critically appraised game, but I'm staying with the examples of HL2 and KOTOR. 

Mods are great additions to a well crafted game.  I never used the mods on HL2, and haven't played much KOTOR (though I want to).  What I can say is that HL2 is a well designed game that leaves little to be desired.  Mods are great for those fans of the game who want some more replayability from said game.

Let me quote a line from my previous post.

"I know a lot of people say, "You can fix that with mods, and then the game will be fun".  If that is the case, the game is broken."

If a mod is used to fix bad designs choice in a game, the game still has bad design.  You may be able to piece together a decent game, but it is not the proper way for developers to use the modding system.  That mentaility encourages laziness, letting the developers think "the community will fix this".

Bottom line: I should be able to pick up any game and play it as is and enjoy the experience.  Modding comes later after I have beaten the game and want to add more replayability.  If I think a game is not fun when I play it, I am not going to bother with Mods.

I want to add a disclaimer that I don't think Oblivion is the worst game in the world.  there are several games out there that is worse than Oblivion.  Oblivion is the game I wanted to like, but couldn't and wasted a lot of time thinking it would be fun.  It is the game that showed the most promise, but was the greatest dissapointment.

I understand your dissapointment, that's why I just wanted to ask you the reasons behind it. I have many friends who are also dissapointed with Oblivion, mainly because they are Morrowind fans, and like I said, Oblivion is trully a step-back from it. 

I would encourage you to give a try to OOO, Oscuro Oblivion Overhaul. It turns Oblivion to the game it should have been from the start. Bethesda themselves liked it so much, they hired the mod to work on Fallout: New Vegas, and that made it one of my most awaited games for this year. If you ever feel like it, give it a try. 



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Seraphic_Sixaxis on 03 February 2010

+ Star Ocean: The Last Hope International

- Infinite Undiscovery (this is out now.)





sabby_e17 on 03 February 2010

I hope that some of the other games pick up. VC, FFXIII and DS (to some extent) are dominating and at this pace will reach the end with ease.




Boutros on 03 February 2010

Nice, you made an update! :P
I like making those little updates.

+ Oblivion
- Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn



Son1x on 03 February 2010

Can you add Ar tonelico III? 

And its written like that, no capital T.
Its in the same state as ARF, EoE/RoF and LR anyway. 



"And yet, I've realized that maybe living a "decent" life means you won't ever have a "good" life."

 

Boutros on 03 February 2010
Seraphic_Sixaxis said:
Boutros said:
Seraphic_Sixaxis said:

Time to find out what RPG will come up on top... by judgment of our chartz community.

Rules ...

All games will start at 50 HP.

Each + Vote = 4 and each - Vote = 7.

You may vote Once, every 3 hours.

Games listed will be on PS3, Xbox 360 and Wii, no handhelds this is a consoles game only so please keep it "clean" this is just for FUN.

Stacking Votes - Stacking votes happens when who ever votes last and your vote is identical to the voter above you, this counts as an extra +1 and -2.

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Thats it, and please play nice gents theres no need for things to get dirty.

Games ...

Last vote: Boutros


Folklore - [32]
Lost Odyssey - [50]
Valkyria Chronicles - [64]
Fable II - [37]
Fable III - [54]
Demon's Souls - [63]
White Knight Chronicles International Edition - [60]
Dragon Age: Origins - [50]
Star Ocean: The Last Hope - [47]
Star Ocean: The Last Hope International - [54]
Tales of Vesperia - [57]
Little King's Story - [53]
Dragon Quest Swords: The Masked Queen and Tower of Mirrors - [50]
Valhalla Knights: Eldar Saga - [31]
Arc Rise Fantasia - [50]
Sakura Wars: So Long, My Love - [50]
Divinity II: Ego Draconis - [50]
Fallout 3 - [54]
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion - [45]
Disgaea 3 Absence of Justice - [50]
Eternal Sonata - [43]
Last Rebellion - [50]
Sacred 2: Fallen Angel - [50]
Untold Legends: Dark Kingdom - [50]
The Last Remnant - [43]
Blue Dragon - [43]
Infinite Undiscovery - [45]
Magna Carta 2 - [43]
Rise of the Argonauts - [38]
Dark Messiah of Might & Magic Elements - [50]
Two Worlds II - [38]
Mass Effect - [50]
Mass Effect 2 - [58]
Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn - [57]
Rune Factory: Frontier - [50]
Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2 - [45]
Enchanted Arms [43]
Xenoblade [54]
The Last Story [54]
Resonance of Fate [50]
Final Fantasy XIII - [56]
Final Fantasy Versus XIII - [57]
Final Fantasy XIV Online - [43]

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Eliminated ...

Cross Edge
Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: The Crystal Bearers

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Have at it, if there are some missing jus' let me, or Boutros know.

 

Why pink??? o_O

lol

You don'tlike Neon Hot Pink?

I just wish it was Green mod :P