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jarrod on 27 January 2010
huaxiong90 said:
jarrod said:
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
jarrod said:
So what other old PC games can they convince 3rd parties to port? PS3's already nabbed the boring Koei MMOs.

Oh there's plenty.  There's Age of Empires III, Battlefield Bad Company, Crysis....

Oh, you mean games Japan WANTS.  That's a different story.....  But then again, that's assuming Japan would even care about any game on the 360.  Frankly, if names like Akira Toriyama and Sakaguchi can't sell systems/games, then nothing can help your system in Japan.

lol.  It probably wouldn't mean much to most, but I'd personally fangasm if Microsoft struck a deal with Falcom.  Then maybe I could get a non-shitty Ys VII!

Have you played the first 3 Ys games? And if so, on what platform?

Ys I: SMS, TCD, PC, VC

Ys II: TCD, PC, VC

Ys III: TCD, Genesis, SNES (sucked!) and I'll play the Felgana remake once I get another PC.



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Scoobes on 27 January 2010
Masakari said:
aleusianacht88 said:
Masakari said:
There's a lot of hate in this thread for MS and what happened in japan. For me, the truth is that they really tried, and it hasn't worked like they wanted simply because the japanese are inherently resistant to western consoles and games, and also haven't jumped like crazy at the HD bandwagon.

You can't tell the 360 doesn't have great games, it does, it works well, has the best online, and MS did try hard with japanese exclusives, even though the quality / quantity ratio isn't the best.

The japanese market is in a weird state these last few years, but ultimately, I think Xbox will never get traction there because it's an american console.

Or because the console is faulty and unreliable and they know it, why does everything have to be blamed on Japan and the people, you're basically calling them racist, maybe they just aren't interested in the concept of roid freaks with big guns and military shooters, I don't really blame them.

That's your opinion btw @ the bolded quote

Why don't you place the blame on Microsoft for rushing their console when they really shouldn't have? Where is the blame on Microsoft? They deserve most of the blame, not Japan.

Yes, i know the console used to fail quite a bit. The PS1 and PS2 also failed quite a bit, and nobody raised that much hell against them. I've had 2 PS2s for example, and my almost 3 year old Xbox never broke down, for example. And i'm not even getting to the fact that MS actually treated their costumers well for the most part with the warranty, I know some pretty bad horror stories from Sony of the PS1/PS2 breakdowns, simply because they didn't care, because it didn't turn into a PR nightmare like the 360 did.

In other words, yes the console had problems, but they were blown out of proportion due to anti-MS sentiment, and this isn't 2007 or 2008, we're in 2010, get over it. Besides, it's historic that japanese tend to dislike more western style gaming, and it's also pretty well known how japanese typically view outsiders.

Your post is overly anti-MS and it shows.

The reason for MS treating there customers better is simply because if they didn't extend the warranty and play nice, they'd be looking at literally millions of lawsuits which would cost them a lot more in the long run and give them terrible PR. The failure rate was also much higher than PS1 & 2 (and they were pretty high). Sony managed to get away with it because the failure rate was still near the expected failure rate for electronics.

Secondly, the Japanese appreciate reliable and quality tech. They're simply light years ahead of anyone else when it comes to technology. When you have that amount of negative PR about reliability, coupled with the terrible reliability of the Japanese X-box 1s power supply you generate a terrible reputation for the Xbox brand. MS have gotten Japanese devs on board and gotten Japanese games on there system, so it's not anti-western ideals that have made the Japanese anti-X-box.

Also, have you seen some of the Japanese 360 adverts? they're as bad as Sony's orginal PS3 ads.




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huaxiong90 on 27 January 2010
jarrod said:
huaxiong90 said:
jarrod said:
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
jarrod said:
So what other old PC games can they convince 3rd parties to port? PS3's already nabbed the boring Koei MMOs.

Oh there's plenty.  There's Age of Empires III, Battlefield Bad Company, Crysis....

Oh, you mean games Japan WANTS.  That's a different story.....  But then again, that's assuming Japan would even care about any game on the 360.  Frankly, if names like Akira Toriyama and Sakaguchi can't sell systems/games, then nothing can help your system in Japan.

lol.  It probably wouldn't mean much to most, but I'd personally fangasm if Microsoft struck a deal with Falcom.  Then maybe I could get a non-shitty Ys VII!

Have you played the first 3 Ys games? And if so, on what platform?

Ys I: SMS, TCD, PC, VC

Ys II: TCD, PC, VC

Ys III: TCD, Genesis, SNES (sucked!) and I'll play the Felgana remake once I get another PC.

I see. Ah, the good old days. Falcom had quite some influence back during the MSX/PC Engine/etc. era.



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jarrod on 27 January 2010
huaxiong90 said:
jarrod said:
huaxiong90 said:
jarrod said:
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
jarrod said:
So what other old PC games can they convince 3rd parties to port? PS3's already nabbed the boring Koei MMOs.

Oh there's plenty.  There's Age of Empires III, Battlefield Bad Company, Crysis....

Oh, you mean games Japan WANTS.  That's a different story.....  But then again, that's assuming Japan would even care about any game on the 360.  Frankly, if names like Akira Toriyama and Sakaguchi can't sell systems/games, then nothing can help your system in Japan.

lol.  It probably wouldn't mean much to most, but I'd personally fangasm if Microsoft struck a deal with Falcom.  Then maybe I could get a non-shitty Ys VII!

Have you played the first 3 Ys games? And if so, on what platform?

Ys I: SMS, TCD, PC, VC

Ys II: TCD, PC, VC

Ys III: TCD, Genesis, SNES (sucked!) and I'll play the Felgana remake once I get another PC.

I see. Ah, the good old days. Falcom had quite some influence back during the MSX/PC Engine/etc. era.

lol, I forgot but I also bought the awful DS I&II remake when Atlus brought it over.  I must've momentarily blocked it out.  It was HORRIBLE!



aleusianacht88 on 27 January 2010
Scoobes said:
Masakari said:
aleusianacht88 said:
Masakari said:
There's a lot of hate in this thread for MS and what happened in japan. For me, the truth is that they really tried, and it hasn't worked like they wanted simply because the japanese are inherently resistant to western consoles and games, and also haven't jumped like crazy at the HD bandwagon.

You can't tell the 360 doesn't have great games, it does, it works well, has the best online, and MS did try hard with japanese exclusives, even though the quality / quantity ratio isn't the best.

The japanese market is in a weird state these last few years, but ultimately, I think Xbox will never get traction there because it's an american console.

Or because the console is faulty and unreliable and they know it, why does everything have to be blamed on Japan and the people, you're basically calling them racist, maybe they just aren't interested in the concept of roid freaks with big guns and military shooters, I don't really blame them.

That's your opinion btw @ the bolded quote

Why don't you place the blame on Microsoft for rushing their console when they really shouldn't have? Where is the blame on Microsoft? They deserve most of the blame, not Japan.

Yes, i know the console used to fail quite a bit. The PS1 and PS2 also failed quite a bit, and nobody raised that much hell against them. I've had 2 PS2s for example, and my almost 3 year old Xbox never broke down, for example. And i'm not even getting to the fact that MS actually treated their costumers well for the most part with the warranty, I know some pretty bad horror stories from Sony of the PS1/PS2 breakdowns, simply because they didn't care, because it didn't turn into a PR nightmare like the 360 did.

In other words, yes the console had problems, but they were blown out of proportion due to anti-MS sentiment, and this isn't 2007 or 2008, we're in 2010, get over it. Besides, it's historic that japanese tend to dislike more western style gaming, and it's also pretty well known how japanese typically view outsiders.

Your post is overly anti-MS and it shows.

The reason for MS treating there customers better is simply because if they didn't extend the warranty and play nice, they'd be looking at literally millions of lawsuits which would cost them a lot more in the long run and give them terrible PR. The failure rate was also much higher than PS1 & 2 (and they were pretty high). Sony managed to get away with it because the failure rate was still near the expected failure rate for electronics.

Secondly, the Japanese appreciate reliable and quality tech. They're simply light years ahead of anyone else when it comes to technology. When you have that amount of negative PR about reliability, coupled with the terrible reliability of the Japanese X-box 1s power supply you generate a terrible reputation for the Xbox brand. MS have gotten Japanese devs on board and gotten Japanese games on there system, so it's not anti-western ideals that have made the Japanese anti-X-box.

Also, have you seen some of the Japanese 360 adverts? they're as bad as Sony's orginal PS3 ads.

Exactly, that's what I was trying to say but apparently everything that comes from me is anti-xbox so i'll just stay away from these threads from now on...jeeze.



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Masakari on 30 January 2010

Frankly, that argument can be said backwards. Back in the PS1/PS2 days, there wasn't as much scrutiny of this issue, and there was no PR disaster. A large part of the Red Ring fiasco was blogs, sites, and social networking getting the information out there.

Sony didn't need to treat their costumers better because they were under little pressure to do so. Now, if MS was in the same condition I totally agree with you they would probably have the same crappy attitude that Sony had.

But that doesn't excuse Sony, or change the fact that relevant "Red Ring fiascos" have existed before, they just didn't get the coverage that the 360 one (rightly) did.

As far as the japanese, yes, I agree. But (and I may be wrong, since I don't live in japan), I doubt that's the #1 reason. I still think they just see it as a western console with western games, from a corporation with much less tradition in videogaming, and just don't trust it.



selnor on 30 January 2010

Japan is such a hard market. They often will choose Japanese only products regardless of the competition. I say bravo M$. You can do nothing but try. Look at car manufacturers. Non Japanese car manufacturers have never been able to sell theirs cars in Japan. Japanese will never accept them.

In terms of skills and sales. Japan seems to buy the Japanese developed games, but Western devs have sold alot more ths gen. And to be honest have created the far better games.