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Obama vs. Romney 2012

President Obama (D) 35 54.69%
 
Fmr MA Gov Mitt Romney (R) 29 45.31%
 
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TheRealMafoo on 27 January 2010
HappySqurriel said:
gurglesletch said:
I would vote for my economics teacher because he could balance the budget.

I don't think balancing the budget is a hard task at all, it is just a politically challenging task because it is difficult to eliminate waste without hurting organizations that are politically important.  

And the President does not balance the budget, Congress does.



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gurglesletch on 27 January 2010
TheRealMafoo said:
HappySqurriel said:
gurglesletch said:
I would vote for my economics teacher because he could balance the budget.

I don't think balancing the budget is a hard task at all, it is just a politically challenging task because it is difficult to eliminate waste without hurting organizations that are politically important.  

And the President does not balance the budget, Congress does.

He could convince them.




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TheRealMafoo on 27 January 2010
gurglesletch said:
TheRealMafoo said:
HappySqurriel said:
gurglesletch said:
I would vote for my economics teacher because he could balance the budget.

I don't think balancing the budget is a hard task at all, it is just a politically challenging task because it is difficult to eliminate waste without hurting organizations that are politically important.  

And the President does not balance the budget, Congress does.

He could convince them.

He could have a year ago. Today, he is just a guy that most people don't like anymore, and every time he tries to help someone get elected, he fails.

Public opinion of the president is what gives him power over congress, and right now, he doesn't have any.



halogamer1989 on 27 January 2010

The hc bill is ping ponging now. It will pass through reconciliation with 1 or 2 small reforms but the universal coverage and trillions here and there dream of Obama and the Pelosi Proletariat is done.

Btw, I did not include third parties b/c they are irrelevant in American politics, except in the grabbing pluarity from the Dem or GOP candidate, e.g. 1992 via Perot.



Mr Khan on 27 January 2010
Kasz216 said:
ManusJustus said:
Kasz216 said:
ManusJustus said:
Kasz216 said:

Still, I agree with Stof that if he passes THIS healthcare bill he's screwed.

I mean, it's so unpopular the Dems lost an election in the State that is for Universal Healthcare more than any other. (They in fact have their own.)

Healthcare was not the reason that Democrats lost in Massachusetts, nor will it be a reason that Democrats lose any election.  The economy is the only thing that matters in today's political climate, and it doesn't matter what policies a politician puts forth, if their party is in power and things are not improving under their watch, they are on the cutting block.

The same reason Democrats were victorious in 2008 will be the same reason Republcians are victorious on 2010, Americans want their economy to improve fast and the people in power are seen as responsible for it.

So... I'm guessing you didn't see the polls for Massachusets then.  48% were against the healthcare plan vs 43% for when it comes to all voters.

That's... from the one state that already has universal healthcare.

Or... listened to the Democrats... they all seem to think it's about healthcare.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0110/31693.html

Kasz, if you don't think the economy is the primary deciding factor in people's decision making at the polls, there is not much I can do for you to put you on the right track.

You could ask people a hundred different agree or disagree questions, but the only issue that matterse is the one people made their minds up on.  80% of people may agree with a candidate that highway 10 should be expanded by two lanes, but if thats the most important issue for 1% of the people then it won't help that candidate much.

Clearly you're right... and all of washington is wrong.

Oh how could I be so wrong... to agree with the political experts and politicians themselves... instead of with you.

 

Not necessarily. Presidential election issues just seem to wheedle their way out of the woodwork quite often. I was just reading for my American History class about how leading up to the 1896 election, everyone assumed the issue was going to be the Tariff, again, whereas the election ended up being swung by the Gold vs Silver question. Even in 2008, no-one predicted that Finance was going to be the big issue.



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Retrasado on 27 January 2010

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TheRealMafoo on 27 January 2010
halogamer1989 said:
The hc bill is ping ponging now. It will pass through reconciliation with 1 or 2 small reforms but the universal coverage and trillions here and there dream of Obama and the Pelosi Proletariat is done.

Btw, I did not include third parties b/c they are irrelevant in American politics, except in the grabbing pluarity from the Dem or GOP candidate, e.g. 1992 via Perot.

They won't pass it now, because they all realize if they do, they lose a ton of votes. That's the reason they have jumped off the issue. It's not that they can't find a way to pass it anymore, it's that none of them want to.

Funny how it was a "moral obligation" when we were talking about spending money. When it's there jobs in the line, they change there tone real fast.



Kasz216 on 27 January 2010
Mr Khan said:
Kasz216 said:
ManusJustus said:
Kasz216 said:
ManusJustus said:
Kasz216 said:

Still, I agree with Stof that if he passes THIS healthcare bill he's screwed.

I mean, it's so unpopular the Dems lost an election in the State that is for Universal Healthcare more than any other. (They in fact have their own.)

Healthcare was not the reason that Democrats lost in Massachusetts, nor will it be a reason that Democrats lose any election.  The economy is the only thing that matters in today's political climate, and it doesn't matter what policies a politician puts forth, if their party is in power and things are not improving under their watch, they are on the cutting block.

The same reason Democrats were victorious in 2008 will be the same reason Republcians are victorious on 2010, Americans want their economy to improve fast and the people in power are seen as responsible for it.

So... I'm guessing you didn't see the polls for Massachusets then.  48% were against the healthcare plan vs 43% for when it comes to all voters.

That's... from the one state that already has universal healthcare.

Or... listened to the Democrats... they all seem to think it's about healthcare.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0110/31693.html

Kasz, if you don't think the economy is the primary deciding factor in people's decision making at the polls, there is not much I can do for you to put you on the right track.

You could ask people a hundred different agree or disagree questions, but the only issue that matterse is the one people made their minds up on.  80% of people may agree with a candidate that highway 10 should be expanded by two lanes, but if thats the most important issue for 1% of the people then it won't help that candidate much.

Clearly you're right... and all of washington is wrong.

Oh how could I be so wrong... to agree with the political experts and politicians themselves... instead of with you.

 

Not necessarily. Presidential election issues just seem to wheedle their way out of the woodwork quite often. I was just reading for my American History class about how leading up to the 1896 election, everyone assumed the issue was going to be the Tariff, again, whereas the election ended up being swung by the Gold vs Silver question. Even in 2008, no-one predicted that Finance was going to be the big issue.

Except... we're talking about an election that already happened here.

Where... healthcare WAS the big issue.



daggy on 27 January 2010

For the good of USA, it would be better if Obama didn't get re-elected. He's been a shame of a president so far.



bimmylee on 28 January 2010

Can't say I'd vote for Obama... considering that I believe I know how to better spend my own hard-earned money than the government does.



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