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Kasz216 said:
tombi123 said:
Kasz216 said:
To put it another way, Einsteins discoveries were HUGE, however they were also inevitable.

Not only inevitable but the pieces of what he said were likely already being put together by others.

Had Einstein not existed, chances are people would be arguing that "Silverman" deserves to be on this list, or whoever else shortly made the discovery afterwords.

Not to say such things aren't important, but when it comes to the most important achievements and people of all time, I think the inevitability of such a discovery should weigh heavily.

I actually don't think anyone up to this day would have discovered General Relativity (maybe special) had Einstein not existed. He basically cut himself off from the rest of the scientific community for 10 years to come up with GR. It isn't a small step, it is a giant leap in logic, intuition and imagination that has never been rivalled before or after. 

I find it hard to put politicians in the list because their work isn't everlasting.

You don't think so?  You don't think we still aren't effected by the Roman Empire?  Or Ghengis Khan's reign?  Even long after their empires have crumbled, the effects their kingdoms had have giant effects in our lives.

 

You'd be surprised just how much cultural history effects people... even hundreds of years after.


The effects of people like the Roman's will outlast the memory of the Romans.  (assuming we don't just... well die.)

I do, its just I think Greek mathematicians have had a bigger effect than Greek Politicians on the world. We are probably going to have to agree to disagree on this one.



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tombi123 said:
Kasz216 said:
tombi123 said:
Kasz216 said:
To put it another way, Einsteins discoveries were HUGE, however they were also inevitable.

Not only inevitable but the pieces of what he said were likely already being put together by others.

Had Einstein not existed, chances are people would be arguing that "Silverman" deserves to be on this list, or whoever else shortly made the discovery afterwords.

Not to say such things aren't important, but when it comes to the most important achievements and people of all time, I think the inevitability of such a discovery should weigh heavily.

I actually don't think anyone up to this day would have discovered General Relativity (maybe special) had Einstein not existed. He basically cut himself off from the rest of the scientific community for 10 years to come up with GR. It isn't a small step, it is a giant leap in logic, intuition and imagination that has never been rivalled before or after. 

I find it hard to put politicians in the list because their work isn't everlasting.

You don't think so?  You don't think we still aren't effected by the Roman Empire?  Or Ghengis Khan's reign?  Even long after their empires have crumbled, the effects their kingdoms had have giant effects in our lives.

 

You'd be surprised just how much cultural history effects people... even hundreds of years after.


The effects of people like the Roman's will outlast the memory of the Romans.  (assuming we don't just... well die.)

I do, its just I think Greek mathematicians have had a bigger effect than Greek Politicians on the world. We are probably going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

I would agree that Greek Mathemticians had a bigger effect than Greek Politicians.

 

I disagree that any greek mathemitician had a bigger effect than any Greek Politician.

 

Take away all the greek mathematicians and it's a great tradgedy.   Take away one Greek mathmatician... it's not so big a deal.

 

It's not that their discoveries weren't huge... it's that their discoveries were inevitable.  If your discovery was inevitable, you deserve credit for getting their first, but you discovering it isn't groundbreaking.  It's that SOMEONE discovered it, and it someone is else was going to discover it a week or two later...

Only, as if Einsteins case, can you show that such a discovery would lead to a large gap in discovery is it a big deal.

Otherwise a few days is nothing compaired to outcomes of entire wars or countries.

Espiecally considering it often lead to the survival or destruction of such knowledge.



Rath said:
@Tombi. Euler over Gauss?

@Hatmoza. I don't think Jesus is greater because he's any more correct. Just more influential.

Just on sheer volume of work. Although it was a tough choice. 



Off the top of my head (not necessarily in order)

1. Winston Churchill - Amazing leader. Stood his ground against the nazis unlike that pisshead Chamberlain whose plan to appease the Germans failed miserably.

2. Harry S. Truman - Had the balls to drop a big fucking bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki winning the war in the Pacific for the USA.

3. Honest Abe Lincoln - Freed the slaves. Also won the civil war and sent those good old boys back to the deep south where they belong.

4. Josef Stalin - This guy didn't fuck around. He was a cold hearted bastard who called his son a failure because he couldn't even kill himself when he tried to. Also without Russia you'd all be eating sauerkraut and schnitzels. On the downside he was a communist piece of shit.

5. Adolf Shitler..er, I mean Hitler - He was a complete asshole, but on the bright side he hated communists and fixed Germany's economy. Killed himself like a little bitch after getting his ass kicked by USA, Britain and Russia.

6. The Beatles - The greatest rock band and probably one of the most influential ever.

7. Karl Marx - A communist piece of shit motherfucker who wants the world to be a fairytale where everyone lives out in a forest alongside the deer and there's rainbows everywhere and we all share and hold hands. Man up you piece of shit.

8. Henry Ford - He didn't invent cars, but he was one of the first to mass produce them and make them affordable. If it wasn't for him...well someone else would have done it a couple years later. At least he was a capitalist and not a pussy ass bitch commie red scumbag motherfucker.

9. Kim Campbell (joke entry) - The worst prime minister in Canadian history. She wasn't elected she only got in because Mulroney was a piece of shit and had to leave office. When she ran for re-election the conservatives lost the election by the largest margin in history for their party.

10. Ben Franklin - Electricity.



Mr Khan said:

Yay! Someone else who knows that Columbus was really looking for Cathay, or Mongolia.

 

Who?



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Slimebeast said:
Mr Khan said:

Yay! Someone else who knows that Columbus was really looking for Cathay, or Mongolia.

 

Who?

TheSource mentioned it in the OP.



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Mr Khan said:
Slimebeast said:
Mr Khan said:

Yay! Someone else who knows that Columbus was really looking for Cathay, or Mongolia.

 

Who?

TheSource mentioned it in the OP.

Oh.

Anyway, wasn't he looking for India? At least he must have thought he landed first on India, right?



Slimebeast said:
Mr Khan said:
Slimebeast said:
Mr Khan said:

Yay! Someone else who knows that Columbus was really looking for Cathay, or Mongolia.

 

Who?

TheSource mentioned it in the OP.

Oh.

Anyway, wasn't he looking for India? At least he must have thought he landed first on India, right?

Yes, but i believe his ultimate purpose was to find Cathay.



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Mr Khan said:
Slimebeast said:
Mr Khan said:
Slimebeast said:
Mr Khan said:

Yay! Someone else who knows that Columbus was really looking for Cathay, or Mongolia.

 

Who?

TheSource mentioned it in the OP.

Oh.

Anyway, wasn't he looking for India? At least he must have thought he landed first on India, right?

Yes, but i believe his ultimate purpose was to find Cathay.

What's Cathay? It sounds like the name of a hot woman.



Mr Khan said:
Slimebeast said:
Mr Khan said:
Slimebeast said:
Mr Khan said:

Yay! Someone else who knows that Columbus was really looking for Cathay, or Mongolia.

 

Who?

TheSource mentioned it in the OP.

Oh.

Anyway, wasn't he looking for India? At least he must have thought he landed first on India, right?

Yes, but i believe his ultimate purpose was to find Cathay.

I wonder how many people realize that everyone already knew the world was round.  That's probably even lesser known.