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arsenicazure on 22 January 2010
superchunk said:
finalrpgfantasy said:
arsenicazure said:
It interesting to note that district 9 which was last on THAT list is prolly better than 70% movies there...

100% right, district 9 even deserve more succes than most of the films in the list.

You are horrible people. D9 was a horrible movie with absolutely no believability. I was hyped for that movie but so many parts were increadibly stupid it was amazing.

It was a sort of avatar without beautiful pandora/3D. The subtle political commentry on apartheid, the documentary style and the emotions were amazing. It wasnt "just another brain dead alien invasion movie",Peter jackson did a much better job than spielberg or Emmerich.

Far more believable than an alien race communicating with a tree..



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superchunk on 22 January 2010
arsenicazure said:
superchunk said:
finalrpgfantasy said:
arsenicazure said:
It interesting to note that district 9 which was last on THAT list is prolly better than 70% movies there...

100% right, district 9 even deserve more succes than most of the films in the list.

You are horrible people. D9 was a horrible movie with absolutely no believability. I was hyped for that movie but so many parts were increadibly stupid it was amazing.

It was a sort of avatar without beautiful pandora/3D. The subtle political commentry on apartheid, the documentary style and the emotions were amazing. It wasnt "just another brain dead alien invasion movie",Peter jackson did a much better job than spielberg or Emmerich.

Far more believable than an alien race communicating with a tree..

I saw D9. It was no where near the caliber of Avatar in any sense. The political issues really dumbed down to the point of idiocy while Avatar is pretty much exactly how we do thing now, let alone to another race of beings. The action sequences were highly improbably, like throwing a fucking pig when you can just zap anything to disintegration.

It had a lot of potential, but the newbee director f'ed up. I don't see how peter jackson could keep his name on that trash.

While I will admint the fantasy/scifi elements of Avatar with complete worldwide communications and conciousness transfers were far more unbelievable, at least that fits into the idea of Gia, whereas D9 simply made things illogical.



Johann on 22 January 2010

@superchunk:
I'm sorry but that comment just had me rolling. So you think the political issues in D9 were dumbed down, but in Avatar they were just fine? Are ya shittin me?

I always respected your opinion, even when I disagree with you, but the only point in which I could agree that Avatar is better than D9 is... the visuals. But then again 8 times the budget will do that.



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mike_intellivision on 22 January 2010
tarheel91 said:
Cypher1980 said:
General concensus to any chart that fails to take inflation into account is that it is near meaningless.

Still good curio value.

Claiming a new Box Office smash always drags a few million more of the brain dead morons of the world into the cinema.

Any post that assumes that the only thing that changes over time when it comes to movies is inflation is near meanginless.

In other words, inflation isn't the only thing that's changed over time.  Gone with the Wind was released in a market vastly different from ours.  For every issue someone takes with Avatar, there's on that can be taken with Gone with the Wind.  There was much less to do back then in terms of entertainment.  There was no internet to torrent movies from.  Far fewer movies were released, and virtually none were released that were on the same level as Gone with the Wind for a LONG time.  I could go on.  Get the point? 

Gone with the Wind was a seminal epic, that is to be true.

But it should be noted that popular entertainment of that time period included  radio, Vaudeville (live stage acts), sporting events, and the movies -- including weekly serials.  Television eventually killed the first two and changed the second two (it took a quarter century for minor league sports to fully rebound after TV became widespread in the US).

 

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darklich13 on 22 January 2010
Slimebeast said:
Titanic is the biggest movie ever even if you adjust for inflation. Remember that titanic had much more worldwide revenue compared to it's domestic US revenue. Those inflation adjusted charts are only for US box office, so they dont tell the right picture.

Titanic is No 1. Gone with the wind and/or Star Wars is second. Avatar will be third or fourth. (measured in total revenue worldwide, adjusted for inflation)

You are very correct on this. Something I was suprised about.  Here are the totals that I found. World Wide Avatar sits at $1,689,630,947


 Domestic Foreign Totals
Gone With The Wind $198,676,459.00 $201,500,000.00 $400,176,459.00
Adjusted  $1,485,028,000.00 $1,506,132,852.91 $2,991,160,852.91








Titanic $600,788,188.00 $1,242,091,767.00 $1,842,879,955.00
Adjusted $983,342,300.00 $2,032,998,316.83 $3,016,340,616.83



 

Domestic Foreign Totals
Gone With The Wind $198,676,459.00 $201,500,000.00 $400,176,459.00

$1,485,028,000.00 $1,506,132,852.91 $2,991,160,852.91



$3,391,337,311.91




Titanic $600,788,188.00 $1,242,091,767.00 $1,842,879,955.00

$983,342,300.00 $2,032,998,316.83 $3,016,340,616.83



$4,859,220,571.83


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Khuutra on 22 January 2010
Miguel_Zorro said:

I read that on Wikipedia already, and looked at the actually movies that came out in 1939.  Which movies from 1939 do you consider exceptional and big box office draws?.  More importantly, Gone With the Wind did most of its box office in 1940 and 1941.  What was so big other than Gone With the Wind over the course of those 2 years?

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donathos on 22 January 2010
Miguel_Zorro said:
donathos said:
Miguel_Zorro said:
The inflation argument is valid, but only to a point. The argument that people have far more "other options" today is also very valid.

Again, if you'd like to know which is "more valid" check out the OP's list.  It's dominated by movies from the last 10-12 years.  The reason?  Because the "inflation argument" has a far, far greater impact than the "other options" argument, or any other argument.

When Gone With the Wind came out? You had to go to the movie theatre if you wanted to see it *at all*. It also came out during World War 2, when there really wasn't much else to do for fun. For the 2+ years that it was in the theatres, the only competition that it had was a bunch of movies that I doubt many people have ever heard of.

That said, movies have always had to compete with other forms of entertainment.  The people of 1939 didn't just lie in bed staring at their ceilings.  Sure, they didn't have many of the forms of entertainment that *we* enjoy today, but they didn't know that they were missing anything; they had full lives anyways.

That's why the top grossers list *doesn't* have a bunch of movies from the 20s, 30s, 40s, etc., when people supposedly had nothing better to do.  Gone With the Wind is the *only* film from that era on the list, right?  The only one even close.  It sticks out for a reason--because it sold a ton of tickets.

Finally, as for its competition... this is what Wikipedia has to say about the movies in 1939:

Movie historians and film buffs often look back on 1939 as "the greatest year in film history". Hollywood was at the height of its Golden Age, and this particular year saw the release of an unusually large number of exceptional movies, many of which have been honored as all-time classics, when multitudes of other films of the era have been largely forgotten.

I read that on Wikipedia already, and looked at the actually movies that came out in 1939.  Which movies from 1939 do you consider exceptional and big box office draws?.  More importantly, Gone With the Wind did most of its box office in 1940 and 1941.  What was so big other than Gone With the Wind over the course of those 2 years?

You're missing the point.

What Gone With the Wind did was exceptional, even for its own time.  Saying that its success is accountable to its era overlooks the fact that no other movie from its era did the same thing.  Saying that people at that time had no other entertainment available is false, as is saying that Gone With the Wind had no competition.

Like I/Wikipedia said, 1939 was actually a pretty big year for movies.  If your point is that, well, 70+ years later not too many of those films are still all that popular, I'll grant that--it's hard for me to argue about the popularity of various movies in the 1930s, because I'm guessing that neither you nor I were alive at the time.

But look, you didn't address it in your first reply, so here's another chance: if 1930s/40s movies had some sort of advantage (people had nothing better to do) that balances out inflation--they're both "very valid" arguments--then why is the top grossing list covered in movies from the mid-to-late 90s and the 2000s?  Shouldn't it be covered in those early era films?



darthdevidem01 on 22 January 2010
darklich13 said:
Slimebeast said:
Titanic is the biggest movie ever even if you adjust for inflation. Remember that titanic had much more worldwide revenue compared to it's domestic US revenue. Those inflation adjusted charts are only for US box office, so they dont tell the right picture.

Titanic is No 1. Gone with the wind and/or Star Wars is second. Avatar will be third or fourth. (measured in total revenue worldwide, adjusted for inflation)

You are very correct on this. Something I was suprised about.  Here are the totals that I found. World Wide Avatar sits at $1,689,630,947


 Domestic Foreign Totals
Gone With The Wind $198,676,459.00 $201,500,000.00 $400,176,459.00
Adjusted  $1,485,028,000.00 $1,506,132,852.91 $2,991,160,852.91



$3,391,337,311.91




Titanic $600,788,188.00 $1,242,091,767.00 $1,842,879,955.00
Adjusted $983,342,300.00 $2,032,998,316.83 $3,016,340,616.83



$4,859,220,571.83

Domestic Foreign Totals
Gone With The Wind $198,676,459.00 $201,500,000.00 $400,176,459.00

$1,485,028,000.00 $1,506,132,852.91 $2,991,160,852.91



$3,391,337,311.91




Titanic $600,788,188.00 $1,242,091,767.00 $1,842,879,955.00

$983,342,300.00 $2,032,998,316.83 $3,016,340,616.83



$4,859,220,571.83

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darklich13 on 22 January 2010
darthdevidem01 said:
darklich13 said:
Slimebeast said:
Titanic is the biggest movie ever even if you adjust for inflation. Remember that titanic had much more worldwide revenue compared to it's domestic US revenue. Those inflation adjusted charts are only for US box office, so they dont tell the right picture.

Titanic is No 1. Gone with the wind and/or Star Wars is second. Avatar will be third or fourth. (measured in total revenue worldwide, adjusted for inflation)

You are very correct on this. Something I was suprised about.  Here are the totals that I found. World Wide Avatar sits at $1,689,630,947


 Domestic Foreign Totals
Gone With The Wind $198,676,459.00 $201,500,000.00 $400,176,459.00
Adjusted  $1,485,028,000.00 $1,506,132,852.91 $2,991,160,852.91








Titanic $600,788,188.00 $1,242,091,767.00 $1,842,879,955.00
Adjusted $983,342,300.00 $2,032,998,316.83 $3,016,340,616.83



 

Domestic Foreign Totals
Gone With The Wind $198,676,459.00 $201,500,000.00 $400,176,459.00

$1,485,028,000.00 $1,506,132,852.91 $2,991,160,852.91



$3,391,337,311.91




Titanic $600,788,188.00 $1,242,091,767.00 $1,842,879,955.00

$983,342,300.00 $2,032,998,316.83 $3,016,340,616.83



$4,859,220,571.83

do one for star wars episode 4 please

 

Star Wars $460,998,007.00 $314,400,000.00 $775,398,007.00
Adjusted $1,309,179,000.00 $892,858,258.28 $2,202,037,258.28
     


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darthdevidem01 on 22 January 2010
darklich13 said:
darthdevidem01 said:
darklich13 said:
Slimebeast said:
Titanic is the biggest movie ever even if you adjust for inflation. Remember that titanic had much more worldwide revenue compared to it's domestic US revenue. Those inflation adjusted charts are only for US box office, so they dont tell the right picture.

Titanic is No 1. Gone with the wind and/or Star Wars is second. Avatar will be third or fourth. (measured in total revenue worldwide, adjusted for inflation)

You are very correct on this. Something I was suprised about.  Here are the totals that I found. World Wide Avatar sits at $1,689,630,947


 Domestic Foreign Totals
Gone With The Wind $198,676,459.00 $201,500,000.00 $400,176,459.00
Adjusted  $1,485,028,000.00 $1,506,132,852.91 $2,991,160,852.91



$3,391,337,311.91




Titanic $600,788,188.00 $1,242,091,767.00 $1,842,879,955.00
Adjusted $983,342,300.00 $2,032,998,316.83 $3,016,340,616.83



$4,859,220,571.83

Domestic Foreign Totals
Gone With The Wind $198,676,459.00 $201,500,000.00 $400,176,459.00

$1,485,028,000.00 $1,506,132,852.91 $2,991,160,852.91



$3,391,337,311.91




Titanic $600,788,188.00 $1,242,091,767.00 $1,842,879,955.00

$983,342,300.00 $2,032,998,316.83 $3,016,340,616.83



$4,859,220,571.83

do one for star wars episode 4 please

 

Star Wars $460,998,007.00 $314,400,000.00 $775,398,007.00
Adjusted $1,309,179,000.00 $892,858,258.28 $2,202,037,258.28
      $2,977,435,265.28

why are you adding the adjusted & unadjusted totals? whats the point in doing that



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