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milkyjoe said:
I can't wait for NMH to release on 360 and PS3, it'll finally put these stupid arguments to bed one way or another.

Won't make any difference whatsoever.  When GTA China Town Wars flopped on PSP did you hear those who were attacking the DS sales come out and say they were wrong to blame DS for the poor sales?



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sh was really overtracked



LordTheNightKnight said:
"I can do that, if you stop BSing about reviewers at every oppurtunity. There are always fans of games that say it deserves higher reviews, if reviewers listened to general opinion every Wii game would be in the 7-9 range and then people would complain about inflation."

That's not why I'm mistrusting reviewers. When they get wined and dined for good reviews, and half their Wii reviews have factual inaccuracies (just some more than others), their credibility is shot. Not for the Wii, but for any game.

And you declaring I'm supposed to find the game below average is just as bad as what you hated form the Tales fans (good series, but not a spectacular one).

I'm not declaring you're supposed to find the game below average, I'm telling you that assuming every review is wrong is assinine.  Reviews in general are a good way to tell if a game is worth spending money on.  You found the game above average instead of below, and some reviewers did as well, but that doesn't mean that all the reviewers that said it was below average are wrong. 



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SaviorX said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
SaviorX said:
The reviews show that FF just was not a good game, and it was short. Spin-offs are always more likely to sell less than their source material anyways, and this is a spin-off of a spin-off that completely skipped the benefits of a holiday release.

Silent Hill is only 5 or 6 hours in length, and not many people want to play full price for that. Plus, how do we know it won't do better when it releases in Others? I'm not saying it will, but you need to see the total sales before calling it a bomb. Relative to the last SH game, it is dong on par with it, so things cannot be that bad.

Besides, neither game has been out for more than two months, so calling them failures is premature.

Are you really putting stock on reviewers when it comes to the Wii these days?

Eww, not at all, but VGC gave it 6.8, and I trust this site.

I do trust this site better, but I'm calling that review on the length (the game is short, but it can still be longer), and that the graphics aren't anything to write home about. Those graphics could not be done on the 6th gen systems at that scale. Plus the general art direction is the same as FFXIII (as well as VIII, X, and XII)



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Torillian said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
"I can do that, if you stop BSing about reviewers at every oppurtunity. There are always fans of games that say it deserves higher reviews, if reviewers listened to general opinion every Wii game would be in the 7-9 range and then people would complain about inflation."

That's not why I'm mistrusting reviewers. When they get wined and dined for good reviews, and half their Wii reviews have factual inaccuracies (just some more than others), their credibility is shot. Not for the Wii, but for any game.

And you declaring I'm supposed to find the game below average is just as bad as what you hated form the Tales fans (good series, but not a spectacular one).

I'm not declaring you're supposed to find the game below average, I'm telling you that assuming every review is wrong is assinine.  Reviews in general are a good way to tell if a game is worth spending money on.  You found the game above average instead of below, and some reviewers did as well, but that doesn't mean that all the reviewers that said it was below average are wrong. 

Poor credibility is not the same as being wrong.

And if it's a good way, why did they give good reviews to an even shorter game with no replay value?



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Are you honestly telling me that I should have compared the graphics of a Wii game to games from the last generation? That makes no sense, I said it was average based on looking at other Wii games. Comparing the Wii to last generation consoles says that the systems are of around the same power. I already know the Wii can do stuff last generation couldn't do, SMG proved that quite soundly.

edit: if you want me to argue against you you're going to need to specify which game you mean that was shorter and got better reviews.



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"Are you honestly telling me that I should have compared the graphics of a Wii game to games from the last generation?"

Okay, I didn't mean it that way, but that is how it came across. I'll put it better. The fact is that in terms of overall detail, the game has more than all but a handful of Wii games. Even if you don't subjectively like the style, the objective scale and polish is there.

"edit: if you want me to argue against you you're going to need to specify which game you mean that was shorter and got better reviews."

Madworld. Hearing about those two things turned me off of the game. And if reviewers are supposed to be about buying recommendations (and I do admit that CB is not for everyone), then they failed in their job by gushing over the game in the way they did (and still wondering why the game didn't sell better).



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

There are different genre standards for length. An action game like Madworld isn't expected to be as long as a game that follows after Zelda like FFCC:CB does.

Madworld was docked for length on most sites, it made up for that with a cool graphical style, amazing music, and a combat system that was interesting even though it got repetitive after a while.

FFCC:CB is docked for length, just average graphics as well as music, and I would call the combat in Madworld better than that in FFCC:CB.

Basically, Madworld made up for its lack of length by having a great presentation and good gameplay. FFCC:CB didn't have enough to make up for the lack of length.



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"Madworld was docked for length on most sites, it made up for that with a cool graphical style, amazing music, and a combat system that was interesting even though it got repetitive after a while."

Graphics and presentation trump length? That is part of the problem with both the reviewers and why the game didn't sell better.

I'll give Crystal Bears could have been longer, but just because you tore through the game doesn't mean it's actually just 9 hours.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

scottie said:
Torillian said:
scottie said:
I will not swear, I will not swear, I will not swear

DO SOME GOSH DARNED RESEARCH BEFORE YOU TROLL

http://www.vgchartz.com/games/index.php?&results=50&name=silent%20hill&console=&keyword=&publisher=&genre=&order=Sales&boxart=Both&showdeleted=&region=All&alphasort=

The best selling Silent Hill ever is on 0.34 million, Shattered Memories is currently on 0.11 without even being released in others and only being out in Americas for 5 weeks

I don't think you can say the best selling SH only sold 340k when the data is missing such large chunks, basically all you have is the first SH and the latest while missing all of the middle ones.  And the original SH only has Japan data so that one isn't even as low as the 300k it appears to be.

Fair response, but it doesnt change some fairly significant facts. Silent Hill Homecoming (360) is the highest selling SH in America that VGChartz tracked, and Silent Hill:SM looks like it will outsell it.

 

It's hardly conclusive proof that it will be the best selling SH ever, but it is clearly far from a dissapointment

Quite the opposite, from the article it looks like SH2 sold more than a million, possibly 2 million. It sold 750k pretty damn fast, so no, SM won't be the best selling ever. However, compared to the failure that was homecoming, the SM failure doesnt look as bad.