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It's quality advertising => sales.



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I would like to see an orientation of experience to sales values. I would think that may end up being a better reference.



Squilliam: On Vgcharts its a commonly accepted practice to twist the bounds of plausibility in order to support your argument or agenda so I think its pretty cool that this gives me the precedent to say whatever I damn well please.

The problem with this line of thinking is you have to realize that what reviewers are looking at as quality is not the same as what Wii owners are looking at as quality.

For example, if a game has clean, cute, simple graphics (Wii titles) reviewers will dock points for presentation. If there's no online reviewers will dock points. If there's no story. Etc.

Wii owners care first and foremost about fun, playing with others, lifestyle games (which reviewers have no clue how to review), and value.

Now value is interesting let's look at that. To an average Wii owner Mario Kart with it's simple graphics and gameplay is fantastic value because they'll play the hell out of it for months and months. Not only that so will their kids and they'll play it with friends and family who come over. God of War is horrible value to them because it's over in 6-8 hours with virtually no replayability. To them Mario Kart is a much, much better game.

My point here is it's a misnomer to say quality doesn't matter. It does. Wii owners tend to rely more on word of mouth and what they played at their friends. If their friend hates the game, they are certainly never going to buy it. Quality absolutely matters.

Game reviewers are just out of sync with the majority of people's values. They are stuck catering to a sub-set of gamers and scoring it only on that sub-set's sense of value. They are not scoring it on what matters to the majority of game players. And the internet and forums like this is a small vocal subset of the subset that game reviewers cater too. Don't use that as any kind of judgement of what gamers in general want.

Call of Duty, Grand Theft Auto, Gran Turismo and Halo are great games with cross appeal - They score well with reviewers and have great value to the masses because any of those will be played endlessly. And they all sell huge amounts because of it.

But Nintendogs, Brain Age, Wii Fit, Mario Kart, also provided limitless enjoyment and enjoy great sales. They also are all quality, well made titles. But they won't score as well because they don't cater to Game reviewers sensibilities.

For Wii reviews I put more faith in Amazon.com reviews than game site reviews. My main concern is: is it fun? Is it good value? Is it well made? I'm not so concerned about story, graphics, etc. which often reduce those games scores on game sites. And very often, game sites haven't even reviewed Wii games. Most Wii games in fact are never reviewed.

Conversely, HD enthusiast gamers put tremendous faith in game reviews and mediocore reviews can spell disaster. A FPS that scores in the 80's will be crushed in todays market because there's CoD (and others) scoring in the 90's to get instead. So neither those that pay attention to game sites nor those that don't and see what their friend has will get those games (because their friend didn't buy it for them to try it).



 

Hi, I'm a videogame reviewer. And I'm here to say that this latest Wii game was clearly NOT designed for gamers. It must be made for girls and kids... maybe grandparents. Seriously, there's no combat, no story. It's all cutesy and unrefined. This game clearly wasn't made for gamers. So this gamer on a gamer review site is giving it the low score it deserves.

Meanwhile, the game gets terrific user reviews on places like amazon and good word of mouth through mainstream circles and ends up doing quite well with the expanded audience.

Look up Carnival Games on Gamerankings (59% with 24 reviews) and Amazon( 4/5 with 276 reviews) A lot of Wii games are made for different people than reviewers are reviewing games for. That's all.



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Serves me right for challenging his sales predictions!

Bet with dsisister44: Red Steel 2 will sell 1 million within it's first 365 days of sales.

OP basically proves that reviewers don't know a shit about Wii and it's audience



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could you list said games?
i'd like to add the metacritic user scores and/or the amazon user scores to those games and see if/how that changes things.



stof said:

Hi, I'm a videogame reviewer. And I'm here to say that this latest Wii game was clearly NOT designed for gamers. It must be made for girls and kids... maybe grandparents. Seriously, there's no combat, no story. It's all cutesy and unrefined. This game clearly wasn't made for gamers. So this gamer on a gamer review site is giving it the low score it deserves.

Holy crap that's amazing and awesome.

Also, found this on another site, but it applies to developers and sales and the Wii.

"We from Volkswagen have decided not to introduce our hybrid car in China for the foreseeable future. If you look at the current amount of hybrid Volkswagens in China right now, namely none, it's quite clear that there's no market for this type of car over there. So why bother?

Contrarily, we have only introduced a very dated and polluting car there 2 years ago. It's not selling too hot, but at least it sold more than our Hybrid, so it's quite clear we have to continue making dated and polluting cars. It's what the Chinese market wants."

 

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SaviorX said:
*sigh*

I've had enough Wii doom and gloom for one week.Sure enough this stuff came in DROVES after the Wii sold more in a month than any console in history has ever done before, and a Mario game sold 10 million in two months.

I just have to ask........what companies spent all this money on Wii games and their titles fail? Saying these games don't sell on Wii is similar to this situation:

Bobby: Hey Paul, what is that you're eating?
Paul: Belgian Stiffyjon Bar.
Bobby: Eww, I hate those. They probably taste nasty?
Paul: How the fuck would you know? You've never eaten one?. I'll have you know its just a Snicker bar, y'know, like the same ones you scarfed down last Halloween? So ignorant........

*continues eating Snickers*


Yep. But knowing you Savior, I know you expected this . Hell, I think most people did. But I think I've had enough of this theater for the week.



Bet between Slimbeast and Arius Dion about Wii sales 2009:


If the Wii sells less than 20 million in 2009 (as defined by VGC sales between week ending 3d Jan 2009 to week ending 4th Jan 2010) Slimebeast wins and get to control Arius Dion's sig for 1 month.

If the Wii sells more than 20 million in 2009 (as defined above) Arius Dion wins and gets to control Slimebeast's sig for 1 month.

Arius Dion said:
SaviorX said:
*sigh*

I've had enough Wii doom and gloom for one week.Sure enough this stuff came in DROVES after the Wii sold more in a month than any console in history has ever done before, and a Mario game sold 10 million in two months.

I just have to ask........what companies spent all this money on Wii games and their titles fail? Saying these games don't sell on Wii is similar to this situation:

Bobby: Hey Paul, what is that you're eating?
Paul: Belgian Stiffyjon Bar.
Bobby: Eww, I hate those. They probably taste nasty?
Paul: How the fuck would you know? You've never eaten one?. I'll have you know its just a Snicker bar, y'know, like the same ones you scarfed down last Halloween? So ignorant........

*continues eating Snickers*


Yep. But knowing you Savior, I know you expected this . Hell, I think most people did. But I think I've had enough of this theater for the week.

Yea, you're right there haha.At least it keeps me busy........



Leatherhat on July 6th, 2012 3pm. Vita sales:"3 mil for COD 2 mil for AC. Maybe more. "  thehusbo on July 6th, 2012 5pm. Vita sales:"5 mil for COD 2.2 mil for AC."

I try not to pay too much attention to metacritic. Metacritic scores don`t necessarily correlate with fun.