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vaio said:
gekkokamen said:
@LordTheNightKnight

yeah but the Wii is not succesful because of those games, so why should you start selling Pasta if your successful selling burgers? beats me....

because there is 1 000 000+ gamers on that platform that want those games thats why.

It´s only now against the wii that we se theese arguments, the gamecreators should try and reach their audince and not the other way around, and that audience exists in enough numbers on the Wii to make those games even if that audience isnt as big as on the HD twins.

The only reason i can think of is that they are lazy and dont want to figure the controlls out to make their games but seeing as Natal gets alot of that support there seems to be other reasons instead of the lazy one and i would like to know wich they are.


1 million + gamers you say? what's this your guess, and don't you think that's a little too low? maybe they don't care because they do RESEARCH and actually KNOW, therefore they don't like wasting MONEY?



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Carl2291 said:
vaio said:
Carl2291 said:
vaio said:
Carl2291 said:
vaio said:
Carl2291 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
"Maybe the best developers, directors and producers dont want to sacrifice their vision and scope at the expense of a userbase that mostly consists of people interested in carnival games, fitness games, and deca sports resort."

They stopped buying those. Did you even pay attention to recent news?

They might have stopped buying those specific games, but they didn't stop buying those type of games.

Top selling Wii games from this weeks top 25 that aren't Nintendo published, and don't feature any Nintendo characters (afaik)...

8. Just Dance
9. MW: Reflex
10. EA Sports Active
11. Your Shape ft. JM
13. LEGO SW
14. Band Hero
15. Deal or no Deal
16. Taiko something
18. NERF NStrike Elite
20. EA Sports Active +
21. Carnival Games Mini Golf
22. Toy Story Mania
24. Random long named Japanese game.
25. Hasbro Family Game Night 2

Did they really stop buying those?

well to be fair u cant have a game on that list if its not made yet so u using that list is just not relevant now is it?

Every game on that list is made... And has been selling for 7+ weeks. Here...

what i was refering too is that u cant have a hardcore fps game on that list if its not made yet, and dont come in with ports or some low budget titles from smaller companies.

All wii owners want is a serious effort from the big corps!!!!

And most of those games i listed are part of the reason why the Wii isn't getting big hardcore FPS games or serious efforts.

and thats backward thinking, those games cant show up on any list it they are not made, and even if they didnt sell like the mario games what reason is there to not make said games to reach the 1 000 000+ gamers that crave that kind of game on said platform?

Because there are evidently more gamers on the other platforms who crave those games.

I never said there were more gamers of that kind on the Wii but there are more then 1 000 000 of those gamers on the wii and that should be enough to warrant atleast one game of that caliber on the system before bitcing that they cant sell their games on the Wii



Vaio - "Bury me at Milanello"      R.I.P AC Milan

In the 60's, people took acid to make the world weird.
Now the world is weird  and people take Prozac  to make it normal.

If laughing is the best medicine and marijuana makes you laugh

Is marijuana the best medicine?

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind."

“If any creator has not played Mario, then they’re probably not a good creator. That’s something I can say with 100 percent confidence. Mario is, for game creators, the development bible.

The PSP is less powerful than the Wii, so even that argument isn't fair.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

gekkokamen said:
vaio said:
gekkokamen said:
@LordTheNightKnight

yeah but the Wii is not succesful because of those games, so why should you start selling Pasta if your successful selling burgers? beats me....

because there is 1 000 000+ gamers on that platform that want those games thats why.

It´s only now against the wii that we se theese arguments, the gamecreators should try and reach their audince and not the other way around, and that audience exists in enough numbers on the Wii to make those games even if that audience isnt as big as on the HD twins.

The only reason i can think of is that they are lazy and dont want to figure the controlls out to make their games but seeing as Natal gets alot of that support there seems to be other reasons instead of the lazy one and i would like to know wich they are.


1 million + gamers you say? what's this your guess, and don't you think that's a little too low? maybe they don't care because they do RESEARCH and actually KNOW, therefore they don't like wasting MONEY?

I used the lowest number possible for that and yes they like wasting money cause they do it all the time with iferior games on the wii and alot of shitty games on the twins too.



Vaio - "Bury me at Milanello"      R.I.P AC Milan

In the 60's, people took acid to make the world weird.
Now the world is weird  and people take Prozac  to make it normal.

If laughing is the best medicine and marijuana makes you laugh

Is marijuana the best medicine?

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind."

“If any creator has not played Mario, then they’re probably not a good creator. That’s something I can say with 100 percent confidence. Mario is, for game creators, the development bible.

"1 million + gamers you say? what's this your guess, and don't you think that's a little too low? maybe they don't care because they do RESEARCH and actually KNOW, therefore they don't like wasting MONEY?"

They do like wasting money, or else they would keep HD costs under control.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

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vaio said:
Carl2291 said:
vaio said:
Carl2291 said:
vaio said:
Carl2291 said:
vaio said:
Carl2291 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
"Maybe the best developers, directors and producers dont want to sacrifice their vision and scope at the expense of a userbase that mostly consists of people interested in carnival games, fitness games, and deca sports resort."

They stopped buying those. Did you even pay attention to recent news?

They might have stopped buying those specific games, but they didn't stop buying those type of games.

Top selling Wii games from this weeks top 25 that aren't Nintendo published, and don't feature any Nintendo characters (afaik)...

8. Just Dance
9. MW: Reflex
10. EA Sports Active
11. Your Shape ft. JM
13. LEGO SW
14. Band Hero
15. Deal or no Deal
16. Taiko something
18. NERF NStrike Elite
20. EA Sports Active +
21. Carnival Games Mini Golf
22. Toy Story Mania
24. Random long named Japanese game.
25. Hasbro Family Game Night 2

Did they really stop buying those?

well to be fair u cant have a game on that list if its not made yet so u using that list is just not relevant now is it?

Every game on that list is made... And has been selling for 7+ weeks. Here...

what i was refering too is that u cant have a hardcore fps game on that list if its not made yet, and dont come in with ports or some low budget titles from smaller companies.

All wii owners want is a serious effort from the big corps!!!!

And most of those games i listed are part of the reason why the Wii isn't getting big hardcore FPS games or serious efforts.

and thats backward thinking, those games cant show up on any list it they are not made, and even if they didnt sell like the mario games what reason is there to not make said games to reach the 1 000 000+ gamers that crave that kind of game on said platform?

Because there are evidently more gamers on the other platforms who crave those games.

I never said there were more gamers of that kind on the Wii but there are more then 1 000 000 of those gamers on the wii and that should be enough to warrant atleast one game of that caliber on the system before bitcing that they cant sell their games on the Wii

I didn't say you did, i was just saying...

Anyway, yes... 1 Million at least is enough. But is it worth it? Seriously... From a business point of view? Is it worth making a big blockbuster FPS game, when in comparison you can make a party game for a fraction of the price and get possibly better sales?



                            

Carl2291 said:
Demotruk said:
Carl2291 said:

You do realise that those FIVE games you just gave me ammount to total sales of just over SIX Million?

They also amount to two two-year-late ports, two unarcadey rail shooters and a title that's released only in Japan and has outsold every HD game bar one.

2 year late ports, yes. But the highest quality games of there genre also.

Unarcadey rail shooters? Call of Duty... "Unarcedey rail shooter"? And you think you deserve these games?

Which is why i remember reading there are a lot of wii owners who own PS3 or 360's, which makes sense since they would have already played it or higher quality games of the genre.

I think we need to keep in mind that there really are a small small small number of people who actually want more from their wii, yet we are still argueing.

I think im done, the wii sold 6.8 million consoles last month, that alone trumps anything about there being this huge lack of satisfaction with what the wii offers, 95% of wii owner are probably so happy with it they dont know what to do with themselves so its pointless treating this debate like its anything more than a niche of a niche group.



@vaio ^so what are you saying know, you want more shitty games? A question out of full ignorance: is the DS any different with third-party support?



this dude is trying to tell me that the Wii is on par with the damn PSP?

you sound like a viral marketeer boy

whatever your name is


they said Tekken couldn't be done on the Wii..right?
look at the PSP version

also..don't forget the classic controller or that the Wiimote can sense motion in different ways, wich can also replace button input

or the gamecube controller for that matter

all your arguments fall flat on it's face

especially when talking about UI
the Wii has the most colorful and diverse UI compared to all other consoles out there this gen


the Wii can handle all those games with simply less graphical output

that's the only difference

as shown by MW:Reflex

ever seen how much detail went into SSMB?
no?
those graphics look great, so it doesn't have to be HD to look good

dude,

go to bed

I can see you're tired



LordTheNightKnight said:
"didnt you say they should be making these games for YOU and YOUR tastes and "hardcorez" or whatever all these quality games since the consoles so successful?"

No. I just wrote that they should give the Wii the games, period. Again, you're not reading the context of what I'm writing.

So they should give the wii "the games" maybe you should be more clear so i know what the fuck games youre talking about. Is it similar games to the PS3/360? Is it "quality games" whats quality to you?

You keep telling me im not reading words and hiding behind saying im ignorant or cant comprehend what youre saying, but youre argueing that whatever games youre talking about should be made because the wii is so successful, im assuming since youre not being clear, that by successful you mean hardware penetration...thus i point out that 6.8 million consoles were sold last month and the general public dont seem to mind to much about the mysterious lack of "the games"