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steverhcp02 on 18 January 2010
vaio said:

and thats backward thinking, those games cant show up on any list it they are not made, and even if they didnt sell like the mario games what reason is there to not make said games to reach the 1 000 000+ gamers that crave that kind of game on said platform?

So, if the userbase is really desiring the stuff your argueing about, and theres a huge dissatisfaction with lack of quality software, how did the wii sell record amounts last month?

Obviously theres a huge detach from perspective in what youre argueing. Why would companies start making these games when there were 6.8 million people buying the wii for what it is known for and offers now?

It seems that people who invested in the wii early and are growing tired of what the wii has become have a problem, but obviously there is no problem with the vast majority of the public who desire a wii for what it offers.




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Carl on 18 January 2010
vaio said:
Carl2291 said:
vaio said:
Carl2291 said:
vaio said:
Carl2291 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
"Maybe the best developers, directors and producers dont want to sacrifice their vision and scope at the expense of a userbase that mostly consists of people interested in carnival games, fitness games, and deca sports resort."

They stopped buying those. Did you even pay attention to recent news?

They might have stopped buying those specific games, but they didn't stop buying those type of games.

Top selling Wii games from this weeks top 25 that aren't Nintendo published, and don't feature any Nintendo characters (afaik)...

8. Just Dance
9. MW: Reflex
10. EA Sports Active
11. Your Shape ft. JM
13. LEGO SW
14. Band Hero
15. Deal or no Deal
16. Taiko something
18. NERF NStrike Elite
20. EA Sports Active +
21. Carnival Games Mini Golf
22. Toy Story Mania
24. Random long named Japanese game.
25. Hasbro Family Game Night 2

Did they really stop buying those?

well to be fair u cant have a game on that list if its not made yet so u using that list is just not relevant now is it?

Every game on that list is made... And has been selling for 7+ weeks. Here...

what i was refering too is that u cant have a hardcore fps game on that list if its not made yet, and dont come in with ports or some low budget titles from smaller companies.

All wii owners want is a serious effort from the big corps!!!!

And most of those games i listed are part of the reason why the Wii isn't getting big hardcore FPS games or serious efforts.

and thats backward thinking, those games cant show up on any list it they are not made, and even if they didnt sell like the mario games what reason is there to not make said games to reach the 1 000 000+ gamers that crave that kind of game on said platform?

Because there are evidently more gamers on the other platforms who crave those games.



                            

_honeybadger_ on 18 January 2010
LordTheNightKnight said:
"games with similar technical abilities to the games they made 10 years ago"

The PSP is still around, and they make those games for those systems and not the Wii. So the sacrificing vision and scope argument is false, and you didn't do any real research.

and thats the same reason that the PSP is failing on the west, gamers fell that what they are getting on the psp is a watered down version of what is available on the console and compare the PSP games with the games on 360/PS3/PC and are obviosly choosing the other versions.



Carl on 18 January 2010
LordTheNightKnight said:
Carl2291 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
Carl2291 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
"Maybe the best developers, directors and producers dont want to sacrifice their vision and scope at the expense of a userbase that mostly consists of people interested in carnival games, fitness games, and deca sports resort."

They stopped buying those. Did you even pay attention to recent news?

They might have stopped buying those specific games, but they didn't stop buying those type of games.

Top selling Wii games from this weeks top 25 that aren't Nintendo published, and don't feature any Nintendo characters (afaik)...

8. Just Dance
9. MW: Reflex
10. EA Sports Active
11. Your Shape ft. JM
13. LEGO SW
14. Band Hero
15. Deal or no Deal
16. Taiko something
18. NERF NStrike Elite
20. EA Sports Active +
21. Carnival Games Mini Golf
22. Toy Story Mania
24. Random long named Japanese game.
25. Hasbro Family Game Night 2

Did they really stop buying those?

At the level when it showed they preferred those games over everything else.

And Monster Hunter 3 shows the vision can still be done, just with more imagination and talent than just thinking you need the best graphics.

They obviously are still prefering and wanting those type of games. The rest of the top 50 is just as bad.

Monster Hunter 3 is a huge, huge game. After the massive success of the games on PSP, 1 Million was all but guarenteed. It's surprising that it took so long to reach 1 Million IMO. And Monster Hunter 3 is one of the best looking Wii games out right now...

Which means any similar game from a hit series can do well on the Wii, since if the audience didn't want those games it would not have sold that many.

Which is true. But why should they go to the Wii, when the fanbases for said games are already on the 360 and/or PS3?

Sure, you can ask for multiplats... But is that worth the developers time creating a new downscaled engine, creating a new control scheme Etc... when that said developer can also just create a minigame/fitness compilation with a decent bit of advertising, and probably make double the money?



                            

deathcape on 18 January 2010
steverhcp02 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
"Never played it but probably. But again, is this what the people bitching want? They want a game that was done 7 years ago? Whats the point in buying NEW games when theyve been done almost a decade ago?"

Twisting words. We're obviously mentioning that the features were there, so that the features can be on the Wii. Did you even read the context of the comment you replied to?

Yes i read it but you dont seem to understand the fact that when there are games like AC2, GTA, Bioshock, Uncharted, MW2 on the market you cant go into a timewarp and make a game like AC2 with the features from last gen, the games must progress not regress.

lol?

I don't know where you're coming from but NSMBWii is selling

the game is 20 years late

 

it's amazing..

 

so what? it's 2D

 

this game was done on way lower tech before..

so is SFIV (nobody remember SFII? or SFIII?)

and SCIV (nobody remember SCII? or SCIII?)

 

they can both be done on the Wii: why aren't they there?

we don't want a 7 year old game

 

you could easily make AC or AC2 on the Wii but less graphically intensive

that's the only change

trust me

 

stop dreaming in your own make-believe HD world

 

this is real life boy

 

welcome to the real world



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steverhcp02 on 18 January 2010
LordTheNightKnight said:
"yeah but the Wii is not succesful because of those games, so why should you start selling Pasta if your successful selling burgers? beats me...."

HD games are not pasta. They're burgers with loads of condiments pretending to be pasta.

"You just need to accept that the reason the wii is successful has nothing to do with the crowd on these forums"

I did not claim it is. So not only are you not doing fact checking, you aren't even reading the actual context of what I'm writing.

didnt you say they should be making these games for YOU and YOUR tastes and "hardcorez" or whatever all these quality games since the consoles so successful? So how is the fact its so successful due to people who dont give a shit or even know what third parties are not factor in to this?




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vaio on 18 January 2010
steverhcp02 said:
vaio said:
 

and thats backward thinking, those games cant show up on any list it they are not made, and even if they didnt sell like the mario games what reason is there to not make said games to reach the 1 000 000+ gamers that crave that kind of game on said platform?

So, if the userbase is really desiring the stuff your argueing about, and theres a huge dissatisfaction with lack of quality software, how did the wii sell record amounts last month?

Obviously theres a huge detach from perspective in what youre argueing. Why would companies start making these games when there were 6.8 million people buying the wii for what it is known for and offers now?

It seems that people who invested in the wii early and are growing tired of what the wii has become have a problem, but obviously there is no problem with the vast majority of the public who desire a wii for what it offers.

because there are enough games on that system to warrant such a buy even without that special kind of games we are discussing here.



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LordTheNightKnight on 18 January 2010

The portability issue and piracy is why the games aren't working on the PSP, not the specs.

Again, Monster Hunter 3 is a watered down version of what it could have been on the PS3. That obviously didn't matter.



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steverhcp02 on 18 January 2010
deathcape said:
steverhcp02 said:

Yes i read it but you dont seem to understand the fact that when there are games like AC2, GTA, Bioshock, Uncharted, MW2 on the market you cant go into a timewarp and make a game like AC2 with the features from last gen, the games must progress not regress.

 

they can both be done on the Wii: why aren't they there?

we don't want a 7 year old game

 

you could easily make AC or AC2 on the Wii but less graphically intensive

that's the only change

trust me

 

stop dreaming in your own make-believe HD world

 

this is real life boy

 

welcome to the real world

rather than trust you ill jump into your "real world boy" and look at AC: Bloodlines.....then ill throw up and walk away knowing im right and it cant be done.




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LordTheNightKnight on 18 January 2010

"didnt you say they should be making these games for YOU and YOUR tastes and "hardcorez" or whatever all these quality games since the consoles so successful?"

No. I just wrote that they should give the Wii the games, period. Again, you're not reading the context of what I'm writing.



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