NJ5 said:
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Have the 3rd party developers that you criticize so much demonstrated that they can develop successfully any other kind of game ?
NJ5 said:
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Have the 3rd party developers that you criticize so much demonstrated that they can develop successfully any other kind of game ?
NJ5 said:
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I think it's a useful example of the conceit of third party developers. The customer must come to us, there is no reason why we should have to go to the customer.
Not the way to get ahead.
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Ail said:
My point is that it's been quite clear for a while that Wii wasn't going to get the same kind of games as HD consoles. If those are the games you want, buy the platform that has them... Ever hear any console owner complains they are not getting MMOs ? Nope, people that want to play those play on the PC....
If I want to play Mass Effect or Halo as a PS3 owner, I'm not going to start a petition online or bitch like mad about pulbishers, I will purchase a 360.... |
Wii fans aren't saying games like Mass Effect or Halo should be on Wii. Only a select few people are saying that and frankly, they aren't looking at the big picture. Since the Wiis conception, most people have looked at the Wii for what it was and realized the Wii had true potential to do one of two things. Either be limited to games with Wiimote controls (like WiiSports/Zelda: Twilight Pricess) or be a system where developers could basically do anything they want if they put forth the effort. And as we have seen, when developers actually put forth the effort, they can create games that practically do whatever they want on the Wii. Its not about graphics or being HD, its about effort from these third party developers.
Nintendo themselves have shown us this, certain third parties have shown us this. Its just that the majority of third party companies have chosen to only give the Wii casual/party/mini-game titles or smaller titles with limited budgets (The Conduit, Blom Blox, Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles, etc) and then whine that they don't sell as well as a game on the HD consoles/Nintendo internal titles.
3rd party developers/publishers keep letting us down. Instead of sticking to the formula that makes a game successful, third parties feel they need to change it up because it's on the Wii and we get stuck with rail shooters and niche titles nobody wants. Then the third parties say hard core games don't sell on the Wii because their silly little rail shooter bombed while Wii owners are still waiting for 3rd parties to develop decent games.
At least Treyarch seems to get it.
Ail said: Have the 3rd party developers that you criticize so much demonstrated that they can develop successfully any other kind of game ? |
Even if they didn't, they could still make similar games tuned more for Wii controls. For example RE5 which would work great on the Wii.
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theprof00 said:
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Yes, grilled cheese is delicious... Except when you use some nasty tasting cheese, that is. The problem is, Threepee is using low quality ingredients to save money and is expecting good results. The rest of it doesn't make sense:
1.) You're implying that the reintroduction of the old sandwich directly impacted the sales of Threepee's sandwiches. I believe here you're trying to imply that New Super Mario Bros caused a direct decrease in the sales of third party games? Correct me if I'm wrong but that assertion would be utterly stupid.
2.) Island in the Pacific? Ten possible ingredients? Are you trying to blame this on the distributor (publisher) and not the Wiideli?
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Vertigo-X said:
Yes, grilled cheese is delicious... Except when you use some nasty tasting cheese, that is. The problem is, Threepee is using low quality ingredients to save money and is expecting good results. The rest of it doesn't make sense:
1.) You're implying that the reintroduction of the old sandwich directly impacted the sales of Threepee's sandwiches. I believe here you're trying to imply that New Super Mario Bros caused a direct decrease in the sales of third party games? Correct me if I'm wrong but that assertion would be utterly stupid.. Not caused, will cause. Give it time 2.) Island in the Pacific? Ten possible ingredients? Are you trying to blame this on the distributor (publisher) and not the Wiideli? Or maybe the cap on how much the sandwich is capable of being "different"
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NJ5 said: just enjoy what you have or switch if you don't like it...... And the fallacy continues. Wii fans enjoy what they have (due to Nintendo's efforts of course), they just want more. Switching wouldn't necessarily make them happier, for the reason I stated in my previous post.
Even if they didn't, they could still make similar games tuned more for Wii controls. For example RE5 which would work great on the Wii. |
I think I found your problem right there.
You're expecting these companies to do something they clearly don't know how to.
It would be like asking for Sakaguchi to make an FPS. He knows they make money if you put a little effort in it, so why not? Because he's clueless about what it works and what doesn't. He doesn't understand the genre. So he'd rather stick to what he knows...
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Johann said:
I think I found your problem right there. You're expecting these companies to do something they clearly don't know how to. It would be like asking for Sakaguchi to make an FPS. He knows they make money if you put a little effort in it, so why not? Because he's clueless about what it works and what doesn't. He doesn't understand the genre. So he'd rather stick to what he knows...
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Mmmm, no... I'm not expecting that at all. First, they could do much the same they're doing, with some slight adaptations for the Wii (that can work, not every success on the Wii was a radically new game). Then they could build on that.
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