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NJ5 said:
Ail said:

My point is that it's been quite clear for a while that Wii wasn't going to get the same kind of games as HD consoles.

If those are the games you want, buy the platform that has them...

Ever hear any console owner complains they are not getting MMOs ?

Nope, people that want to play those play on the PC....

 

If I want to play Mass Effect or Halo as a PS3 owner, I'm not going to start a petition online or bitch like mad about pulbishers, I will purchase a 360....


That's a typical fallacy which pops up in this debate. Who told you these Wii fans want to play the exact games that the 360 and PS3 have, with PS3 and 360 controls?

 

Have the 3rd party developers that you criticize so much demonstrated that they can develop successfully any other kind of game ?



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NJ5 said:
Ail said:

My point is that it's been quite clear for a while that Wii wasn't going to get the same kind of games as HD consoles.

If those are the games you want, buy the platform that has them...

Ever hear any console owner complains they are not getting MMOs ?

Nope, people that want to play those play on the PC....

 

If I want to play Mass Effect or Halo as a PS3 owner, I'm not going to start a petition online or bitch like mad about pulbishers, I will purchase a 360....


That's a typical fallacy which pops up in this debate. Who told you these Wii fans want to play the exact games that the 360 and PS3 have, with PS3 and 360 controls?

 

I think it's a useful example of the conceit of third party developers. The customer must come to us, there is no reason why we should have to go to the customer.

Not the way to get ahead.



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Ail said:
NJ5 said:
Ail said:
NJ5 said:

How bitter would PS3 and 360 owners be if third parties spent years launching "test games" to see if they were worthy of getting more high-profile, high-quality games?

How bitter would they be if those same third parties ignored the fact that several high-quality PS3 and 360 games sold well, and decided to launch their following games on the Wii, completely forgetting their previous successes on the PS3 and 360?

How bitter would they be if 3rd parties and the industry in general used niche games and spin-offs as "proof" that PS3 and 360 owners don't deserve getting better games?

 

If the games we wanted were not on our platform of choice we would have purchased another console long ago...........

I don't go to Subway to purchase a cheeseburger, I go to Wendy's or Mc Donalds :P

So your point is, PS3/360 fans are shining beacons of rationality and pragmatism while Wii fans are irrational and unbalanced whiny fanboys?

 

My point is that it's been quite clear for a while that Wii wasn't going to get the same kind of games as HD consoles.

If those are the games you want, buy the platform that has them...

Ever hear any console owner complains they are not getting MMOs ?

Nope, people that want to play those play on the PC....

 

If I want to play Mass Effect or Halo as a PS3 owner, I'm not going to start a petition online or bitch like mad about pulbishers, I will purchase a 360....

Wii fans aren't saying games like Mass Effect or Halo should be on Wii.  Only a select few people are saying that and frankly, they aren't looking at the big picture.  Since the Wiis conception, most people have looked at the Wii for what it was and realized the Wii had true potential to do one of two things.  Either be limited to games with Wiimote controls (like WiiSports/Zelda: Twilight Pricess) or be a system where developers could basically do anything they want if they put forth the effort.  And as we have seen, when developers actually put forth the effort, they can create games that practically do whatever they want on the Wii.  Its not about graphics or being HD, its about effort from these third party developers. 

Nintendo themselves have shown us this, certain third parties have shown us this.  Its just that the majority of third party companies have chosen to only give the Wii casual/party/mini-game titles or smaller titles with limited budgets (The Conduit, Blom Blox, Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles, etc) and then whine that they don't sell as well as a game on the HD consoles/Nintendo internal titles.



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3rd party developers/publishers keep letting us down.  Instead of sticking to the formula that makes a game successful, third parties feel they need to change it up because it's on the Wii and we get stuck with rail shooters and niche titles nobody wants.  Then the third parties say hard core games don't sell on the Wii because their silly little rail shooter bombed while Wii owners are still waiting for 3rd parties to develop decent games.

At least Treyarch seems to get it.



just enjoy what you have or switch if you don't like it......


And the fallacy continues. Wii fans enjoy what they have (due to Nintendo's efforts of course), they just want more.

Switching wouldn't necessarily make them happier, for the reason I stated in my previous post.

Ail said:

Have the 3rd party developers that you criticize so much demonstrated that they can develop successfully any other kind of game ?

Even if they didn't, they could still make similar games tuned more for Wii controls. For example RE5 which would work great on the Wii.



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theprof00 said:

Except that grilled cheese is delicious, and when he throws in some chicken or tuna or tomato, people say "whatever, it's not a wiideli club sandwich". So, he tries making some wiideli sandwiches after thorough testing to suit the townspeople's tastes. So, he makes 3 new sandiwches and a lot of people buy them. He tries making some more new ones and people like them, but he only makes a few cents on every sandwich. But that's ok, he has established a brand and still has his 3 sandwiches. 1.) The next month, wiideli starts a new promotion: "Re-introducing the original sandwich". Threepee's sales drop into the toilet. Threepee looks at the situation and says "fine, I'll just sell exactly what they were just selling a month ago". Except nobody buys them.

2.) Frustrated, he starts looking at his options. He then realizes that they live on an island in the pacific, and there are only 10 possible ingredients located there. He remembers that he already tried all the other combinations and summizes that he should try just putting more of each ingredient in each sandwich. So, he goes to his distributor and they tell him, "sorry, nobody is allowed to exceed the allowed amount. Sandwiches cannot exceed a certain weight, and you are already pushing the limits". So, threepee decides to move to the mainland. Even on the boat, the club sandwiches are three times bigger and are made from a selection of 50 ingredients. Completely exhausted, he wonders why he moved to the island in the first place.

 

 

Yes, grilled cheese is delicious... Except when you use some nasty tasting cheese, that is. The problem is, Threepee is using low quality ingredients to save money and is expecting good results. The rest of it doesn't make sense:

 

1.)  You're implying that the reintroduction of the old sandwich directly impacted the sales of Threepee's sandwiches. I believe here you're trying to imply that New Super Mario Bros caused a direct decrease in the sales of third party games? Correct me if I'm wrong but that assertion would be utterly stupid.

2.) Island in the Pacific? Ten possible ingredients? Are you trying to  blame this on the distributor (publisher) and not the Wiideli?

 



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Vertigo-X said:
theprof00 said:

Except that grilled cheese is delicious, and when he throws in some chicken or tuna or tomato, people say "whatever, it's not a wiideli club sandwich". So, he tries making some wiideli sandwiches after thorough testing to suit the townspeople's tastes. So, he makes 3 new sandiwches and a lot of people buy them. He tries making some more new ones and people like them, but he only makes a few cents on every sandwich. But that's ok, he has established a brand and still has his 3 sandwiches. 1.) The next month, wiideli starts a new promotion: "Re-introducing the original sandwich". Threepee's sales drop into the toilet. Threepee looks at the situation and says "fine, I'll just sell exactly what they were just selling a month ago". Except nobody buys them.

2.) Frustrated, he starts looking at his options. He then realizes that they live on an island in the pacific, and there are only 10 possible ingredients located there. He remembers that he already tried all the other combinations and summizes that he should try just putting more of each ingredient in each sandwich. So, he goes to his distributor and they tell him, "sorry, nobody is allowed to exceed the allowed amount. Sandwiches cannot exceed a certain weight, and you are already pushing the limits". So, threepee decides to move to the mainland. Even on the boat, the club sandwiches are three times bigger and are made from a selection of 50 ingredients. Completely exhausted, he wonders why he moved to the island in the first place.

 

 

Yes, grilled cheese is delicious... Except when you use some nasty tasting cheese, that is. The problem is, Threepee is using low quality ingredients to save money and is expecting good results. The rest of it doesn't make sense:

 

1.)  You're implying that the reintroduction of the old sandwich directly impacted the sales of Threepee's sandwiches. I believe here you're trying to imply that New Super Mario Bros caused a direct decrease in the sales of third party games? Correct me if I'm wrong but that assertion would be utterly stupid..

Not caused, will cause. Give it time

2.) Island in the Pacific? Ten possible ingredients? Are you trying to  blame this on the distributor (publisher) and not the Wiideli?

Or maybe the cap on how much the sandwich is capable of being "different"

 

 



NJ5 said:

just enjoy what you have or switch if you don't like it......


And the fallacy continues. Wii fans enjoy what they have (due to Nintendo's efforts of course), they just want more.

Switching wouldn't necessarily make them happier, for the reason I stated in my previous post.

Ail said:

Have the 3rd party developers that you criticize so much demonstrated that they can develop successfully any other kind of game ?

Even if they didn't, they could still make similar games tuned more for Wii controls. For example RE5 which would work great on the Wii.

I think I found your problem right there.

You're expecting these companies to do something they clearly don't know how to.

It would be like asking for Sakaguchi to make an FPS. He knows they make money if you put a little effort in it, so why not? Because he's clueless about what it works and what doesn't. He doesn't understand the genre. So he'd rather stick to what he knows...

 



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Johann said:
NJ5 said:

just enjoy what you have or switch if you don't like it......


And the fallacy continues. Wii fans enjoy what they have (due to Nintendo's efforts of course), they just want more.

Switching wouldn't necessarily make them happier, for the reason I stated in my previous post.

Ail said:

Have the 3rd party developers that you criticize so much demonstrated that they can develop successfully any other kind of game ?

Even if they didn't, they could still make similar games tuned more for Wii controls. For example RE5 which would work great on the Wii.

I think I found your problem right there.

You're expecting these companies to do something they clearly don't know how to.

It would be like asking for Sakaguchi to make an FPS. He knows they make money if you put a little effort in it, so why not? Because he's clueless about what it works and what doesn't. He doesn't understand the genre. So he'd rather stick to what he knows...

 

 

Mmmm, no... I'm not expecting that at all. First, they could do much the same they're doing, with some slight adaptations for the Wii (that can work, not every success on the Wii was a radically new game). Then they could build on that.

 



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