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I have predicted in the past that eventually Microsoft’s Xbox/Live/Zune business would grow to become bigger than their PC business. If you look at the trends over the last two years this looks to be eventually inevitable, Microsoft have been amazingly successful with this generation of home game consoles. But there is a caveat, they are being extraordinarily unsuccessful with Zune and with Smartphones (which should be the same thing) which shows that they don’t get everything right.

Against this background Microsoft have made two pronouncements in recent days that are very strange indeed and which have got me a little worried.

Microsoft’s Xbox group product manager Aaron Greenberg was at CES, which was a 3Dfest, he said: “We’re unsure what level of interest there is from consumers to really want a 3D experience in the living room. Many, many years from now when it becomes a reality, we absolutely can support it.” and “there’s a lot of challenges about 3D in the living room. I don’t know about you, but when I play games or watch TV, I’ve got my phone, I’ve got all kinds of things going on. I get up, I get down, I’m looking outside at the weather and it’s…I’m not in a dark theater, wearing glasses, staring at a screen. I think it’s just a different environment.”

Compare and contrast that with Howard Stringer of Sony, who said:We intend to take the lead in 3D. We are the only company fully immersed in every part of the 3D value chain”.

So who is right? Having experienced 3D gaming myself and looking at the way that all the world’s electronic companies are moving over to 3D I think I will side with Mr Stringer on this one.

The second worrying pronouncement comes from David Hufford, senior director of Xbox product management, who was also at CES. He told the Guardian: “There is no need to launch a new console, because we’re able to give this console new life either with software upgrades or hardware upgrades like Project Natal. The Xbox 360 was designed for a long life, and I don’t even know if we’re at the midpoint yet.

This is in total denial of the beating heart of game platform history, Moore’s Law. This says that the number of transistors that can be put on a chip doubles every two years. So, for a given price, a game console can double in power every two years. This is why we have generations of consoles, normally every 5 or 6 years. The Xbox 360 was launched at E3 2005, so already a successor would be over 4 times more powerful. And this is very easy to do, the architecture of the Xbox 360 is such that it can very easily be scaled up with more powerful CPU and GPU whilst remaining backwards compatible.

So what is happening here? Do Microsoft really think that Natal is a substitute for a shiny powerful new console? There are tens of millions of consumers out there who want the latest, best, most powerful toy. And they are prepared to pay for it. So whoever delivers will take their money.

What seem to be happening here is that Microsoft are looking at their competitors instead of looking at the market. Nintendo are still half a generation behind with their hardware and a full generation behind with their online offerings. Sony are battered and bruised by losses, especially from their Playstation division, and so are in no fit state to launch a new console just yet. So against these competitors Microsoft can relax. But if Apple were to announce their state of the art home console then Microsoft could find themselves suddenly on their back foot.

Personally I hope that both these statements were bluff. That Microsoft have both coherent 3D plans and a new game console on the drawing board. If not the chances are that at least one of these will catch them out.

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Stringer: We want to sell you a new TV, never mind the fact that the 42" set you purchased last year will be perfectly good for the next 8-10 years. Never mind the fact that new 3D ready sets are still twice the price you paid for your old one.

Greenburg: The technology just isn't there to support this technology yet and it doesn't give consumers what they want. Edit: "Also Linux or Mac OS or any other competitor hasn't done it first"



Too early to tell on the 3D, as for new consoles, that's also driven by the developers. More power is there, but costs for big console titles already skyrocketed with PS3/360 and its clear the main developers aren't keen on another big hike in costs due to new hardware.

Also, only the smaller hardcore cares about that kind of power. Look at the Wii's specifications and it's still outselling the PS3/360.



Try to be reasonable... its easier than you think...

INSALEY POOR AND CRAPPY article :

- HOW THE FUCK IS Xbox division going bigger than WINDOWS ???????????????????

I m not even sure the Xbox has succeed to make 1 billion profit in 1 quarter (I m not even counting the Xbox1 enormous loss ...). At the opposite, the full PC business has brought ENORMOUS amount of money to MS. EVERYMONTH, MS is earning billion of money becasue ofthe PC business !!!

- MS should care about 3D :

MS dont give a shit about 3D because they are focusing on Natal and Halo REACH.
They want to OWN the disruption tool because they want all the money for them. If they succeed it will be jackpot for them. By the way, 3D is still nothing right now.

- ""Nintendo are still half a generation behind with their hardware and a full generation behind with their online offerings""

LOL, ASSHOLE. Ninty is league above MS when you check sales/profits/marketshare of the console market. They are in The Mainstream market, the one that you can hardly reach even using your cheapy incomplete arcade sku. Also, for this maintream market, ONLINE DOESNT MATTER. ONLINE IS NON EVENT. got it ?
And, the Xbox360 is more in need to get Natal than the Wii in need to get HD, particularly to reach the mainstream market !

in NA alone : +3 M unit >> 1.4 M unit ...

No need to mention, the PS3 selling at the same rate, at an more expensive price AND in your "homeland" ...



Time to Work !

You make it sound as though Microsoft is comfortably in control, which is not the case. The reason they'll need a new console is because launching Natal as a peripheral isn't going to have the impact that they need in the new gaming market. Hardware power is no longer a real reason to create a new console, but a need to get a fresh start on brand naming definitely is.



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Xbox ad Zune division will never be bigger than Windows. I'm sorry, that's utterly impossible. MS makes so much money off Windows it's ridiculous. Having 90% OS market share really brings in the money.



wow.... just wow.
X box bigger then OS.......
can i have a hit off that lefty your smoking?



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It's also laughable that Greenberg uses the exact same arguments that can be used against Natal to "destroy" 3D.

It's simple marketing to make sure as many people as possible stay clear from what the competition is doing.

Same thing probably goes for Sony, who want to make sure you think of 3D as the future.



I m happy most of the people agree here

CRAPPY article

I hope this guy is not payed to do this !



Time to Work !