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pariz said:
Maynard_Tool said:
pariz said:
I think he's just trying to get some attention.
That's pretty much everything.

The writeter or radiantshadow92?

The writter.

In reference to what radiantshadow92 says, I can see how people think that NSMBWii is less innovative (and meant less risks) than what it could have been and I respect their views.

I also think that Nintendo has decided to offer both a classic (NSMBWii) and a somewhat more innovative (Galaxy 2) software. I am guessing their strategy will pay off.

 

In what regards to my personal opinion, I would have loved to see a more stylised 2d Mario offering with better and cuter graphics, but that's just me.

good stuff...good stuff =]



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noname2200 said:
psrock said:
gamings_best said:
the wii is for gamers who want to have fun......................... leave the next gen games to the next gen consoles

Only Wii gamers have fun?

HD, online, AAA GAMES = Not fun

 

I actually cried playing Uncharted last night, i was so sad.

No need to be facetious.

You were merely misty-eyed at best.

But I had fun writing it unlike your HD vocabulary.



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11/20/09 04:25 makingmusic476 Warning Other (Your avatar is borderline NSFW. Please keep it for as long as possible.)
radiantshadow92 said:
ClaudeLv250 said:
radiantshadow92 said:
ClaudeLv250 said:
radiantshadow92 said:
ClaudeLv250 said:
radiantshadow92 said:
ClaudeLv250 said:
radiantshadow92 said:
Khuutra said:
radiantshadow92 said:
Khuutra said:

That quote tree was becoming a war crime.

No, Kasz was the one originally making a point here, and if you wan to argue with him you have ot address his point. Professionalism in the relaying of one's opinion does affect perceived validity for many people, myself included. The man isn't writing an editiorial. He's having a breakdown. I'm embarrassed for him, because the language and vindictiveness on display here is not something that a grown man should be showing in public about anything, least of all video games, and in that case least of all because a game is selling better than he wants it to.

He's complaining that people like New Super Mario Bros. Wii too much. And he's doing it in a completely unrelatable way.

hes saying its selling TOO MUCH FOR ITS QUALITY AND WORK INPUT....he relating the game to another game that in his opinion should be regarded as a higher platformer.....i know his point, hes saying that daemon had no professionalism, he was expressing himself as writer, even if he has no professionalism, he still makes a valid point which is professional enough for me

You agreeing with him does not mean he's writing professionally. That's not how professionalism works.

you are once again missing the point, i could care less if he was professional, he still makes good poi nts....you know what fine, HIS ARTICLE WAS NOT PROFESSIONAL...are you happy? does that make you happy? that the ign writer was not professional enough for you....or does it make you sad that he actually makes a good point which happens to be that a mario game is not all that?

Part of the reason it's not professional is beca use he actually doesn't make any good points. It's not very good and it's not very professional.

 

whether he makes good points or not is subjective....he makes plenty of good points imo, like the fact that nsmb has no online, or that ninty didnt make any big jumps, or that the game has 4 characters, idk about you but he made plenty good points, some were off, but either way they are his points, and they are valid

No, it's not subjective. He didn't make any good points. "Because online" doesn't mean anything. If the online isn't good then there is nothing to brag about, but the actual inclusion or removal of online doesn't determine quality so much as the actual implementation.

YES IT DOES...online is something some games should have FOR EXAMPLE a multiplayer game such as NSMB, could you imagine how much fun it would be to play people with headsets and leaderboards and user created worlds...the posibilites are endless...and yes whether he made good points or not are subjective, anyone could say he is right and back it up, or you could say he is wrong and back it up.....online does mean something, but sadly ninty doesnt seem to care >_>

Nope. Every game doesn't need online. He didn't make any good points. This is not subjective.

 

did is say every game needs online? PLEASE BOLD THAT FOR ME BECAUSE I AM REREADING MY POST AND I SEE THAT I SAID THAT SOME GAMES SHOULD HAVE ONLINE >_>.....and he did make good points. it is subjective...we could do this all day...but unless you say something usefull i wont be replying to you anymore

YOU LIKE TO POST LIKE THIS A LOT DON'T YOU? IGN IS WRONG AND THEY MADE NO GOOD POINTS. NSMBWII DOES NOT REQUIRE ONLINE MULTIPLAYER. I THINK IT COULD HAVE BENEFITTED BUT THE GAME IS SO GOOD AS IT IS THAT I DON'T FEEL LIKE I WAS RIPPED OFF - BECAUSE I WASN'T AND WHAT I GOT WAS A GREAT GAME.

Got it memorized?

i do when LIKE TO TYPE LIKE THIS WHEN YOU TWIST MY WORDS AROUND >_>.....it does not require it, but damn just freaking do it already, its so freaking simple with the money they have....YES, it could have benefitted, and you do not get ripped off, it is a great game, BUT  the article still makes good points

I'M NOT TWISTING YOUR WORDS I'M ESTABLISHING MY POINT - WHICH IS THAT HE DOESN'T HAVE ANY GOOD POINTS WHICH IS OBJECTIVE. I MOSTLY DIDN'T ELABORATE BECAUSE OTHERS ALREADY DID. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?

I already said why online wasn't a good point - the game doesn't need it. This is the type of game that's better with people in the same room. If it had the same lag issues as Brawl then it's better off without it. Saying "more levels" doesn't mean anything because it says nothing about the level design, length, etc. I haven't played splosionman but Mario's levels are exquisitely designed - you collect star coins in every level and several of them have secret exits and all kinds of little hidden coves and pipe underworlds. There is tons of replayability. Even the argument that NSMBWii is selling too much is a piss poor 'point.' He did nothing to define his terms. How much is too much? How much should it have sold in terms of what's actually in there? How much did splosionman sell and how much should it have sold? Why is he comparing an indie game to a gaming legend like Mario? What relevance do the games have to each other? How is Mario "blinding" a group of people from playing a game that's not even available on the same platform?

It's a terrible editorial. I'm left asking why he bothered writing this. There are more questions than answers.



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psrock said:
noname2200 said:
psrock said:
gamings_best said:
the wii is for gamers who want to have fun......................... leave the next gen games to the next gen consoles

Only Wii gamers have fun?

HD, online, AAA GAMES = Not fun

 

I actually cried playing Uncharted last night, i was so sad.

No need to be facetious.

You were merely misty-eyed at best.

But I had fun writing it unlike your HD vocabulary.

If only the pulchritude of my high-definition lexicon was less anesthetizing, I could countervail its enthralling entwinement and find true felicity!



ClaudeLv250 said:
radiantshadow92 said:
ClaudeLv250 said:
radiantshadow92 said:
ClaudeLv250 said:
radiantshadow92 said:
ClaudeLv250 said:
radiantshadow92 said:
ClaudeLv250 said:
radiantshadow92 said:
Khuutra said:
radiantshadow92 said:
Khuutra said:

That quote tree was becoming a war crime.

No, Kasz was the one originally making a point here, and if you wan to argue with him you have ot address his point. Professionalism in the relaying of one's opinion does affect perceived validity for many people, myself included. The man isn't writing an editiorial. He's having a breakdown. I'm embarrassed for him, because the language and vindictiveness on display here is not something that a grown man should be showing in public about anything, least of all video games, and in that case least of all because a game is selling better than he wants it to.

He's complaining that people like New Super Mario Bros. Wii too much. And he's doing it in a completely unrelatable way.

hes saying its selling TOO MUCH FOR ITS QUALITY AND WORK INPUT....he relating the game to another game that in his opinion should be regarded as a higher platformer.....i know his point, hes saying that daemon had no professionalism, he was expressing himself as writer, even if he has no professionalism, he still makes a valid point which is professional enough for me

You agreeing with him does not mean he's writing professionally. That's not how professionalism works.

you are once again missing the point, i could care less if he was professional, he still makes good poi nts....you know what fine, HIS ARTICLE WAS NOT PROFESSIONAL...are you happy? does that make you happy? that the ign writer was not professional enough for you....or does it make you sad that he actually makes a good point which happens to be that a mario game is not all that?

Part of the reason it's not professional is beca use he actually doesn't make any good points. It's not very good and it's not very professional.

 

whether he makes good points or not is subjective....he makes plenty of good points imo, like the fact that nsmb has no online, or that ninty didnt make any big jumps, or that the game has 4 characters, idk about you but he made plenty good points, some were off, but either way they are his points, and they are valid

No, it's not subjective. He didn't make any good points. "Because online" doesn't mean anything. If the online isn't good then there is nothing to brag about, but the actual inclusion or removal of online doesn't determine quality so much as the actual implementation.

YES IT DOES...online is something some games should have FOR EXAMPLE a multiplayer game such as NSMB, could you imagine how much fun it would be to play people with headsets and leaderboards and user created worlds...the posibilites are endless...and yes whether he made good points or not are subjective, anyone could say he is right and back it up, or you could say he is wrong and back it up.....online does mean something, but sadly ninty doesnt seem to care >_>

Nope. Every game doesn't need online. He didn't make any good points. This is not subjective.

 

did is say every game needs online? PLEASE BOLD THAT FOR ME BECAUSE I AM REREADING MY POST AND I SEE THAT I SAID THAT SOME GAMES SHOULD HAVE ONLINE >_>.....and he did make good points. it is subjective...we could do this all day...but unless you say something usefull i wont be replying to you anymore

YOU LIKE TO POST LIKE THIS A LOT DON'T YOU? IGN IS WRONG AND THEY MADE NO GOOD POINTS. NSMBWII DOES NOT REQUIRE ONLINE MULTIPLAYER. I THINK IT COULD HAVE BENEFITTED BUT THE GAME IS SO GOOD AS IT IS THAT I DON'T FEEL LIKE I WAS RIPPED OFF - BECAUSE I WASN'T AND WHAT I GOT WAS A GREAT GAME.

Got it memorized?

i do when LIKE TO TYPE LIKE THIS WHEN YOU TWIST MY WORDS AROUND >_>.....it does not require it, but damn just freaking do it already, its so freaking simple with the money they have....YES, it could have benefitted, and you do not get ripped off, it is a great game, BUT  the article still makes good points

I'M NOT TWISTING YOUR WORDS I'M ESTABLISHING MY POINT - WHICH IS THAT HE DOESN'T HAVE ANY GOOD POINTS WHICH IS OBJECTIVE. I MOSTLY DIDN'T ELABORATE BECAUSE OTHERS ALREADY DID. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?

I already said why online wasn't a good point - the game doesn't need it. This is the type of game that's better with people in the same room. If it had the same lag issues as Brawl then it's better off without it. Saying "more levels" doesn't mean anything because it says nothing about the level design, length, etc. I haven't played splosionman but Mario's levels are exquisitely designed - you collect star coins in every level and several of them have secret exits and all kinds of little hidden coves and pipe underworlds. There is tons of replayability. Even the argument that NSMBWii is selling too much is a piss poor 'point.' He did nothing to define his terms. How much is too much? How much should it have sold in terms of what's actually in there? How much did splosionman sell and how much should it have sold? Why is he comparing an indie game to a gaming legend like Mario? What relevance do the games have to each other? How is Mario "blinding" a group of people from playing a game that's not even available on the same platform?

It's a terrible editorial. I'm left asking why he bothered writing this. There are more questions than answers.

like i said before, the i dont agree with this editorial, but i do agree with some points, imo, this game SHOULD have had online...i dont agree with the blinding or any other of that...thats just retarted....but the game was made out of some laziness and ninty has a big part to do with it.....it may be terrible iyo, but it still makes some good points i agree with...and he compares it to splosionman to try and get the readers to see that there are better games



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noname2200 said:
psrock said:
noname2200 said:
psrock said:
gamings_best said:
the wii is for gamers who want to have fun......................... leave the next gen games to the next gen consoles

Only Wii gamers have fun?

HD, online, AAA GAMES = Not fun

 

I actually cried playing Uncharted last night, i was so sad.

No need to be facetious.

You were merely misty-eyed at best.

But I had fun writing it unlike your HD vocabulary.

If only the pulchritude of my high-definition lexicon was less anesthetizing, I could countervail its enthralling entwinement and find true felicity!

AAAA MY EYES!



noname2200 said:
psrock said:
noname2200 said:
psrock said:
gamings_best said:
the wii is for gamers who want to have fun......................... leave the next gen games to the next gen consoles

Only Wii gamers have fun?

HD, online, AAA GAMES = Not fun

 

I actually cried playing Uncharted last night, i was so sad.

No need to be facetious.

You were merely misty-eyed at best.

But I had fun writing it unlike your HD vocabulary.

If only the pulchritude of my high-definition lexicon was less anesthetizing, I could countervail its enthralling entwinement and find true felicity!

no one's going to buy that.



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11/20/09 04:25 makingmusic476 Warning Other (Your avatar is borderline NSFW. Please keep it for as long as possible.)
noname2200 said:
psrock said:
noname2200 said:
psrock said:
gamings_best said:
the wii is for gamers who want to have fun......................... leave the next gen games to the next gen consoles

Only Wii gamers have fun?

HD, online, AAA GAMES = Not fun

 

I actually cried playing Uncharted last night, i was so sad.

No need to be facetious.

You were merely misty-eyed at best.

But I had fun writing it unlike your HD vocabulary.

If only the pulchritude of my high-definition lexicon was less anesthetizing, I could countervail its enthralling entwinement and find true felicity!

So far, adding more complex words isn't helping you do that.



"Pier was a chef, a gifted and respected chef who made millions selling his dishes to the residents of New York City and Boston, he even had a famous jingle playing in those cities that everyone knew by heart. He also had a restaurant in Los Angeles, but not expecting LA to have such a massive population he only used his name on that restaurant and left it to his least capable and cheapest chefs. While his New York restaurant sold kobe beef for $100 and his Boston restaurant sold lobster for $50, his LA restaurant sold cheap hotdogs for $30. Initially these hot dogs sold fairly well because residents of los angeles were starving for good food and hoped that the famous name would denote a high quality, but most were disappointed with what they ate. Seeing the success of his cheap hot dogs in LA, Pier thought "why bother giving Los Angeles quality meats when I can oversell them on cheap hotdogs forever, and since I don't care about the product anyways, why bother advertising them? So Pier continued to only sell cheap hotdogs in LA and was surprised to see that they no longer sold. Pier's conclusion? Residents of Los Angeles don't like food."

"The so-called "hardcore" gamer is a marketing brainwashed, innovation shunting, self-righteous idiot who pays videogame makers far too much money than what is delivered."

ClaudeLv250 said:
radiantshadow92 said:
ClaudeLv250 said:
radiantshadow92 said:
ClaudeLv250 said:
radiantshadow92 said:
ClaudeLv250 said:
radiantshadow92 said:
ClaudeLv250 said:
radiantshadow92 said:
Khuutra said:
radiantshadow92 said:
Khuutra said:
Modest-sized post.

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Gentlemen:

When the greatly condensed version of your quote tree takes up an entire page, it is a sign that you need to start trimming the earlier portions of the God-damned quote tree.

Thank you.



psrock said:
noname2200 said:
psrock said:
noname2200 said:
psrock said:
gamings_best said:
the wii is for gamers who want to have fun......................... leave the next gen games to the next gen consoles

Only Wii gamers have fun?

HD, online, AAA GAMES = Not fun

 

I actually cried playing Uncharted last night, i was so sad.

No need to be facetious.

You were merely misty-eyed at best.

But I had fun writing it unlike your HD vocabulary.

If only the pulchritude of my high-definition lexicon was less anesthetizing, I could countervail its enthralling entwinement and find true felicity!

no one's going to buy that.

And that's because they wouldn't have fun with HD.