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Arius Dion on 15 January 2010
onishi said:
Arius Dion said:
Who didn't see this coming after Nintendo and specifically this game destroyed the competition in the NPD.

They're a little late actually, I expected this last night.

That he may have gone about it in a more unprofessional way, there is no question about that. But you seem to disregard some points that may have certain validity to them. Just because there is a good possibility that your beloved Mario MAY be a Slightly inferior platformer doesn't mean that it's about "OMG IT SELLS TO MUCH SO IT HAS TO GET HATE!" Hell I can accept that there may be games out there or at least will be, that surpass Uncharted 2 in that genre. True at the end of the day it's about personal taste but that doesn't mean that you should disregard other great games just because the mustached hero is the main character. It is that mindset which allows all of us to experience many gems. Hell if it wasn't for me giving other games a chance and keeping an open mind, I would have never ended up playing Legend of Legaia (loved it), or Einhander (a shmup made by Squaresoft? no way!). Lets try to remain civil with eachother and give other games a shot. That doesn't mean Mario will get jealous or stop making games because you try other games. Lets all keep the one thing we have in common in order to connect in a positive way: gaming. Have a good evening (or day if your in EU).

I happen to love the game. So his points arer pretty much wasted on me. But he seems to be asserting that people like myself who love the game are somewhat ignorant, naive, and blind and were schemed by Nintendo's big shiny red box with bright colors and aren't sophisticated enough to understand we've been flim flammed and bamboozeled. All I was pointing out was that as a Wii fan this isn't anything new anymore and is to be expected. Every time Nintendo (Wii specifically) has acheived or broken a record these type of articles appear, it is not coincidence. And it is obviously for hits. It is unprofessionally done and I really see no point in contributing much to the theater that goes on around articles such as this.

But you do have a good point that's been made: Many times hype & name alone gives games a free pass. This is no more evident than the IGN reviews of GTA4. I think some of the hate from IGN comes from the fact that the Wii audience doesn't "listen" to them. They gave MKWii what an 8.5? or something yet that game goes on to sell over 20m. But I digress. Yes, many big name games get these ridiculously high scores simply because they are the next games in a beloved series..they seem to be sacred cows..and I think what you were trying to say is that one should not have any sacred cows, and if that is indeed what you were saying I agree wholeheartedly.

But I don't agree that NSMB is a mediocre game. 



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Khuutra on 15 January 2010
radiantshadow92 said:
Khuutra said:

You agreeing with him does not mean he's writing professionally. That's not how professionalism works.

you are once again missing the point, i could care less if he was professional, he still makes good points....you know what fine, HIS ARTICLE WAS NOT PROFESSIONAL...are you happy? does that make you happy? that the ign writer was not professional enough for you....or does it make you sad that he actually makes a good point which happens to be that a mario game is not all that?

I said in the beginning that the article makes me wince and feel embarrassed because of how unprofessional it is. That's the entire point. You're operating on the assumption here that you set the topic of this particular conversation line, but you didn't. I did. Or Kasz did. Both of us are saying the same thing.

No, it doesn't make me feel better, I don't think I've helped you understand what I'm saying



radiantshadow92 on 15 January 2010
ClaudeLv250 said:
radiantshadow92 said:
Khuutra said:
radiantshadow92 said:
Khuutra said:

That quote tree was becoming a war crime.

No, Kasz was the one originally making a point here, and if you wan to argue with him you have ot address his point. Professionalism in the relaying of one's opinion does affect perceived validity for many people, myself included. The man isn't writing an editiorial. He's having a breakdown. I'm embarrassed for him, because the language and vindictiveness on display here is not something that a grown man should be showing in public about anything, least of all video games, and in that case least of all because a game is selling better than he wants it to.

He's complaining that people like New Super Mario Bros. Wii too much. And he's doing it in a completely unrelatable way.

hes saying its selling TOO MUCH FOR ITS QUALITY AND WORK INPUT....he relating the game to another game that in his opinion should be regarded as a higher platformer.....i know his point, hes saying that daemon had no professionalism, he was expressing himself as writer, even if he has no professionalism, he still makes a valid point which is professional enough for me

You agreeing with him does not mean he's writing professionally. That's not how professionalism works.

you are once again missing the point, i could care less if he was professional, he still makes good points....you know what fine, HIS ARTICLE WAS NOT PROFESSIONAL...are you happy? does that make you happy? that the ign writer was not professional enough for you....or does it make you sad that he actually makes a good point which happens to be that a mario game is not all that?

Part of the reason it's not professional is because he actually doesn't make any good points. It's not very good and it's not very professional.

 

whether he makes good points or not is subjective....he makes plenty of good points imo, like the fact that nsmb has no online, or that ninty didnt make any big jumps, or that the game has 4 characters, idk about you but he made plenty good points, some were off, but either way they are his points, and they are valid



radiantshadow92 on 15 January 2010
Khuutra said:
radiantshadow92 said:
Khuutra said:

You agreeing with him does not mean he's writing professionally. That's not how professionalism works.

you are once again missing the point, i could care less if he was professional, he still makes good points....you know what fine, HIS ARTICLE WAS NOT PROFESSIONAL...are you happy? does that make you happy? that the ign writer was not professional enough for you....or does it make you sad that he actually makes a good point which happens to be that a mario game is not all that?

I said in the beginning that the article makes me wince and feel embarrassed because of how unprofessional it is. That's the entire point. You're operating on the assumption here that you set the topic of this particular conversation line, but you didn't. I did. Or Kasz did. Both of us are saying the same thing.

No, it doesn't make me feel better, I don't think I've helped you understand what I'm saying

well then i guess this was all pointless and we should end this debate/convo/posts as there is no point >_>



dib8rman on 15 January 2010

On third thought:

I like this article, it's well thought out, his points are solid and he backs them up with historical facts, surveys, and lots of other measurable data.



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JWS on 15 January 2010

it looks like nintendo didn't spend enough advertisement money at ign.



Maynard_Tool on 15 January 2010

radiantshadow92 whats ur deal?? Why do you have to attack people that say this is a shitty article (b/c it is) Why do you have to keep saying (around 20 times now) that you agree with the IGN writer? We got it the first time....

If you agree with the article and you liked it, that's fine. The article sucks. The guy is clearly butthurt (for w/e reason) and he doesn't even give a good point like you said. He goes on to say all this BS.

Who is this guy to decide that Mario is less fun than X game? If the game has already sold 10 million copies is for a reason... that's what people like. If people like the same game over and over with little change, what's the problem? If people loved NSMB DS, and they love NSMBWii... what's the problem with that? I often saw on IGN that Nintendo is keeping the same formula, that they needed to change it... but then, on the GoWII review, they say "is the same as GoW... but, why are they going to change something that doesn't need to be change? It's fine as it is"
Well.... why are they going to change something that works? Same with the ps3 controller... is the exact same thing as the ps1 and ps2 controller, do they need to change it? Not really.

Ign is so full of it... they say something one day, and at the next day they just give a total different opinion just b/c they want to hate on the wii.... it is what it is. Maybe NSMBWii didn't add too much, but more than 10 million people have already bought the game, so Nintendo knows what people want =)



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radiantshadow92 on 15 January 2010
Arius Dion said:
onishi said:
Arius Dion said:
Who didn't see this coming after Nintendo and specifically this game destroyed the competition in the NPD.

They're a little late actually, I expected this last night.

That he may have gone about it in a more unprofessional way, there is no question about that. But you seem to disregard some points that may have certain validity to them. Just because there is a good possibility that your beloved Mario MAY be a Slightly inferior platformer doesn't mean that it's about "OMG IT SELLS TO MUCH SO IT HAS TO GET HATE!" Hell I can accept that there may be games out there or at least will be, that surpass Uncharted 2 in that genre. True at the end of the day it's about personal taste but that doesn't mean that you should disregard other great games just because the mustached hero is the main character. It is that mindset which allows all of us to experience many gems. Hell if it wasn't for me giving other games a chance and keeping an open mind, I would have never ended up playing Legend of Legaia (loved it), or Einhander (a shmup made by Squaresoft? no way!). Lets try to remain civil with eachother and give other games a shot. That doesn't mean Mario will get jealous or stop making games because you try other games. Lets all keep the one thing we have in common in order to connect in a positive way: gaming. Have a good evening (or day if your in EU).

I happen to love the game. So his points arer pretty much wasted on me. But he seems to be asserting that people like myself who love the game are somewhat ignorant, naive, and blind and were schemed by Nintendo's big shiny red box with bright colors and aren't sophisticated enough to understand we've been flim flammed and bamboozeled. All I was pointing out was that as a Wii fan this isn't anything new anymore and is to be expected. Every time Nintendo (Wii specifically) has acheived or broken a record these type of articles appear, it is not coincidence. And it is obviously for hits. It is unprofessionally done and I really see no point in contributing much to the theater that goes on around articles such as this.

But you do have a good point that's been made: Many times hype & name alone gives games a free pass. This is no more evident than the IGN reviews of GTA4. I think some of the hate from IGN comes from the fact that the Wii audience doesn't "listen" to them. They gave MKWii what an 8.5? or something yet that game goes on to sell over 20m. But I digress. Yes, many big name games get these ridiculously high scores simply because they are the next games in a beloved series..they seem to be sacred cows..and I think what you were trying to say is that one should not have any sacred cows, and if that is indeed what you were saying I agree wholeheartedly.

But I don't agree that NSMB is a mediocre game. 

i also dont agree that nsmb is a mediocre game, i am just saying that it doesnt deserve the sales based on it quality, but yes, people are blind to mario and the fact that its a household name, just like gran turismo, and ff, and zelda, and mgs, if they put it on the cover people will buy it...now whether the game is deserving of the sales is up to the developer and how good they make the game....btw its not true that ign will give ninty games a low score, they gave conduit an 8.x and galaxy like a high 9....zelda a 9.5 and prime a 9.5....these games were deserving of every sale and rating they got, now nsmb got a 8.9 which i agree on, but really does it deserve 35252345234523 billion sales? is it the best platformer? is it the best goty? is it the best game ever? just like MKWII, why should MKWII get 321522352 sales when modnation racers (assuming its the better game) will get 3-4 million sales tops....



Hisiru on 15 January 2010
radiantshadow92 said:
O-D-C said:
somwhere along the line, this guy forgot what gaming is all about

fun

if you can have playing a game then it's done its job

very true it is about fun, but its about alot more then that

No, videogame is just about fun and not about graphics or anything else. NSMBW is visually similar to the DS game but still, it's a much better game then the DS version and if the DS version was fun, NSMBW is "funtastic", that's what really matters and not if it's polished.



Arius Dion on 15 January 2010
radiantshadow92 said:
Arius Dion said:
onishi said:
Arius Dion said:
Who didn't see this coming after Nintendo and specifically this game destroyed the competition in the NPD.

They're a little late actually, I expected this last night.

That he may have gone about it in a more unprofessional way, there is no question about that. But you seem to disregard some points that may have certain validity to them. Just because there is a good possibility that your beloved Mario MAY be a Slightly inferior platformer doesn't mean that it's about "OMG IT SELLS TO MUCH SO IT HAS TO GET HATE!" Hell I can accept that there may be games out there or at least will be, that surpass Uncharted 2 in that genre. True at the end of the day it's about personal taste but that doesn't mean that you should disregard other great games just because the mustached hero is the main character. It is that mindset which allows all of us to experience many gems. Hell if it wasn't for me giving other games a chance and keeping an open mind, I would have never ended up playing Legend of Legaia (loved it), or Einhander (a shmup made by Squaresoft? no way!). Lets try to remain civil with eachother and give other games a shot. That doesn't mean Mario will get jealous or stop making games because you try other games. Lets all keep the one thing we have in common in order to connect in a positive way: gaming. Have a good evening (or day if your in EU).

I happen to love the game. So his points arer pretty much wasted on me. But he seems to be asserting that people like myself who love the game are somewhat ignorant, naive, and blind and were schemed by Nintendo's big shiny red box with bright colors and aren't sophisticated enough to understand we've been flim flammed and bamboozeled. All I was pointing out was that as a Wii fan this isn't anything new anymore and is to be expected. Every time Nintendo (Wii specifically) has acheived or broken a record these type of articles appear, it is not coincidence. And it is obviously for hits. It is unprofessionally done and I really see no point in contributing much to the theater that goes on around articles such as this.

But you do have a good point that's been made: Many times hype & name alone gives games a free pass. This is no more evident than the IGN reviews of GTA4. I think some of the hate from IGN comes from the fact that the Wii audience doesn't "listen" to them. They gave MKWii what an 8.5? or something yet that game goes on to sell over 20m. But I digress. Yes, many big name games get these ridiculously high scores simply because they are the next games in a beloved series..they seem to be sacred cows..and I think what you were trying to say is that one should not have any sacred cows, and if that is indeed what you were saying I agree wholeheartedly.

But I don't agree that NSMB is a mediocre game. 

i also dont agree that nsmb is a mediocre game, i am just saying that it doesnt deserve the sales based on it quality, but yes, people are blind to mario and the fact that its a household name, just like gran turismo, and ff, and zelda, and mgs, if they put it on the cover people will buy it...now whether the game is deserving of the sales is up to the developer and how good they make the game....btw its not true that ign will give ninty games a low score, they gave conduit an 8.x and galaxy like a high 9....zelda a 9.5 and prime a 9.5....these games were deserving of every sale and rating they got, now nsmb got a 8.9 which i agree on, but really does it deserve 35252345234523 billion sales? is it the best platformer? is it the best goty? is it the best game ever? just like MKWII, why should MKWII get 321522352 sales when modnation racers (assuming its the better game) will get 3-4 million sales tops....

Wow..So there it is, then.



Bet between Slimbeast and Arius Dion about Wii sales 2009:


If the Wii sells less than 20 million in 2009 (as defined by VGC sales between week ending 3d Jan 2009 to week ending 4th Jan 2010) Slimebeast wins and get to control Arius Dion's sig for 1 month.

If the Wii sells more than 20 million in 2009 (as defined above) Arius Dion wins and gets to control Slimebeast's sig for 1 month.