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dharh on 15 January 2010

Why is anyone surprised by this? If I were a game developer i'd certainly rather develop on the PS3 or X360. Developers want to develop games they want to play and given the demographic game developers tend to fall in you begin to see why they want to develop HD graphic high intensive games. The few developers that would like to develop the type of games that excel on the Wii would have to _compete_ with Nintendo games and that's never going to work.

Can you imagine some studio coming out with Super Alex Bros.? Not a bloody chance.



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Sempuukyaku on 15 January 2010
Demotruk said:
cAPSLOCK said:
I'd like to see them go back to treating 3rd parties like trash. Only allow 2 games per publisher per year, only now no satellite publishing to get around the rule. See how much shovelware they make when they only get 2 shots at that sweet, sweet playerbase per year.

If their game is good and performs well, they get to make 1 addition game the next year.

Maybe Nintendo was right in the NES/SNES era in that regard.

The fact that they did this in the past is the reason many third parties are not fond of Nintendo, and partly why they're reluctant to support them.

Then they have some serious problems. Come on now Nintendo has been trying to court third-parties for almost the past decade (starting with Gamecube). If they still are butt-hurt about stuff that went down back in the 80s then they have longer and more painful periods than I realized.



kopstudent89 on 15 January 2010
donathos said:
Despite recent claims that Nintendo is "lazy," I believe that, basically, whenever Nintendo sets about to make a game, they have a sincere interest in making it as best as they can. Doesn't mean that they always succeed--Nintendo can fail, too--but I think they make strong efforts at creating "quality" games for their systems.

It would be difficult for me to judge the efforts of 3rd parties; I don't work for them. However, looking at the results, I find it really hard to believe that they're putting in the same kind of effort into their Wii games as Nintendo does. And that's what sucks.

It's not about "investment" as money, but overall investment: time, thought, concern, etc. Sure, a masterfully produced Wii game will, on average, cost less than a masterfully produced HD game. That's not a problem. In fact, that's great for the publisher. But sadly, I think that some of these third parties have taken the idea that Wii games cost less to mean that they can half-ass an effort, and it'll still be okay.

Over the years, Nintendo has built up a rep for good games. I think it's easier for a Nintendo game to reach, say, 10 million sales, than a game from another given company. But I also think that those kinds of numbers *aren't* unreachable for a third party on the Wii, provided that it's the right game.

What would a third party have to do, in terms of investment, to achieve a game of Nintendo quality? And how much would they have to market such a game, to eclipse 5, 10, 15 million in sales, or more? I don't know. But it's a shame--for them and for us--that they don't seem to have an interest in doing it. Or in trying, really.

Sorry for the double post but i ahd to quote this. Well said, and its such a shame that we havent seen a game that has really been shown an effort. And if anything i've realized that the games who are developed by small or/and niche companies are the ones that are being put a worthwhile effort(no more heroes, de blob, muramasa...). At least in Japan we've seen succeses with big Wii games like MH3(even though not a great success, but 1 million is nothing to laugh at), and recently SW3 that has exceeded expectations. When the effort is put it looks like 3rd party can succeed.



Demotruk on 15 January 2010
darthdevidem01 said:

My response is towards trestres problem not yours or anyone else's

trestres has been convinced for atleast 6 months now that wii stands no chance of getting 3rd party support

all I am saying is that maybe he should think about buying consoles that have the kind of 3rd party support he prefers, hardly a silly thing to suggest.

Pretty much anyone who buys a Wii does not buy it for the same reason a person buys a HD console. They are both for games, yes, but obviously if they were looking to play third party games in HD with a gamepad, they would have bought one of those two options (one of which is as cheap as Wii).



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Johann on 15 January 2010
Demotruk said:
Johann said:

So what you're saying is that although the Wii sells the most sofware (1st and 3rd party) and hardware out of the big 3, you still want more support to go to it?

Nintendo get tonnes of support, but it's mostly shovelware. And I'm not talking about the software that core gamers call shovelware but aren't (Carnival Games, Deca Sports, etc.) but the tonnes of games that publishers churn out hoping that customers will be tricked into thinking it's a better game resembling it. The bulk of third party sales on Wii are from the exceptions, the games that don't treat their customers like idiots.

Unfortunately those games are limited in scope, publishers don't believe they can have a hit Wii game outside of certain genres, so they don't put money behind them outside of the occassional low budget, "experimental" games like Dead Space Extraction. These are often left to die. Smaller publishers do support Wii with core games, but they're often either just bad, or very narrow in appeal.

Considering how many core games have proven to sell on Wii, and I will list Nintendo games as there's nothing magical about Nintendo, (Super Mario Galaxy, Super Smash Bros, NSMB, Metroid Prime, The Legend of Zelda, Star Wars:TFU, Resident Evil, even weak Call of Duty ports), there is no excuse for not supporting the Wii with strong core efforts. "We can't compete with Nintendo first party" translates to "we're not able to make great games". "Wii doesn't sell core games" is plainly false.

But it does get 3rd party support. And that's my point.

So the HD consoles get their 3rd party support and the Wii gets its 3rd party support (which according to charts, sells more).

See? 3rd party software all around. The market remains competitive. Isn't that good?

 

Now if like Khuutra said, you want the same kind of support the HD consoles have, you should... I don't know, buy one?



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NJ5 on 15 January 2010
Procrastinato said:

"The Effort" means "The Money", if you weren't aware.

If you put more money into Wii development... there goes the grand Wii advantage, doesn't it?  Would a $20M Wii game sell as much as a $20M HD game?  That's the question.  Depends on the product, and the number of Wii owners willing to purchase it, doesn't it?

That would be absurd. If you spent $20 million on a Wii game you'd make a game with more content than 99% of all existing games, as content is cheaper to create on the Wii.

I think most people are talking about effort in game design and marketing. Rather than making simpler knock-offs of existing franchises and then complaining they don't sell.

 



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psrock on 15 January 2010

Fact : Third party needs Nintendo more than Nintendo need then, hence the reason Nintendo doesn't if it get MWF2 or not.

I actually like the way it is, it seems Nintendo fans are pleased with the games they get anyway.



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JTurner82 on 15 January 2010

*Sigh* Another doom & gloom thread.  One that I would rather much ignore.  The truth is we don't know what is coming out for Wii this year; it hasn't been announced.  Now granted, there probably won't be a lot of consistent AAA titles, but I don't see 3rd-parties totally going away.  As long as they can keep costs down and step up their marketing (MH3 seems to be one such title; Nintendo is behind the marketing for that, ain't they?), then they can have success.



Train wreck on 15 January 2010

The bottom line here is 3rd party support is shifting to more HD development.

If you own only a PS3/60 system or you focus your gaming attention to those systems, then the future looks bright. You got motion coming and more third party support along with awesome first party support in Microsoft and Sony.

If your a wii only owner, you future is bright, when only talking about nintendo games and a few 3rd party games sprinkled here and there.



saicho on 15 January 2010
Khuutra said:
cAPSLOCK said:
I'd like to see them go back to treating 3rd parties like trash. Only allow 2 games per publisher per year, only now no satellite publishing to get around the rule. See how much shovelware they make when they only get 2 shots at that sweet, sweet playerbase per year.

If their game is good and performs well, they get to make 1 addition game the next year.

Maybe Nintendo was right in the NES/SNES era in that regard.

This is the worst idea put forth in the entire topic

Bar none

I think the idea of asking Nintendo to go third party is worse.



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