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bmmb1 on 09 January 2011
Stefan.De.Machtige said:
DemoPS3 said:

Wow, only 45 points for TLS.

They should've made it for the PS3, it would have sold better.

Dude, it's a Nintendo IP - a big no, no on the PS3. And yes, the game should get better.

I'm sure he knows this. He's just... you know what.



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NoCtiS_NoX on 09 January 2011
Hero_time88 said:

Graces wouldn't have sold that much on the Wii if it had been released simultinously with the PS3 release, and the mothership title's that where released during the prime-time of the DS life cicle sold about 250k and got a heavy price-cuts to reach those numbers. Far from great which shows that the Tales of fanbase in Japan prefers to play there games on a home console and are more associated with the playstation family.

Vesperia PS3 also hasn't been updated for years on VGchartz. Media-create april numbers had it at 363k and more recently dengeki sales that dated from november had it at 393k, almost the same what the port of Symphonia did during it's first release on the PS2.

The original release of Graces F (not including "the best" version) when everything is said and done will also sell 350-400k.

 

 

According to Gaf. Vesperia already sold 400K in media create couple of weeks ago.



Hero_time88 on 09 January 2011

It probably has been selling for a while outside of the top 50.

393 or 400k , both are great numbers and it makes wonder how much Tales of Xillia will do. 550k?

 



Boutros on 09 January 2011
bmmb1 said:
--OkeyDokey-- said:

A lot of those games suck so it's not completely PS3's fault they flopped. On the other hand, Demon's Souls will be a million seller which is amazing really. ToG and ToV are the best selling Tales of games in Japan this gen. (including handhelds). And Valkyria Chronicles sold much better than its PSP sequels.

All in all, your argument fails.

So on the one hand, "a lot of those games suck", but on the other hand, the fact that Graces had a game killing bug should be ignored.

Since so far no recent Tales games have made it out of Japan, you need to look at Japan numbers only (which was Pavolink's point), not WW numbers, so saying that Demon's Soul numbers are amazing is wrong.

Regarding "PS3 still has 5 years" while handhelds are soon to change generation, doesn't matter in any way since jrpgs are very much front loaded, especially in Japan.

IF there is a lesson to be learned it is that JRPGs should either be on one of the handhelds (where they would sell much more, not to mention development costs would be much lower) or should be multiplatform Wii and PS3. That is the true lesson. Despite a game kiling bug on the Wii version and their respective publishing timing, Graces versions together have sold 530k in Japan only.
Tales of Vesperia (X360)
Namco Bandai
0.26 0.19 0.00 0.45
Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World (Wii)
Namco Bandai
       0.19        0.24         0.00        0.43

Even a Tales games on the 360 outsold a Tales game on the Wii despite it solding better in Japan.

 

Also, saying that a Tales game should be on handhelds is nonsense and shows you don't know much about the series.

The fanbase is on consoles and especially on the PS3.

The best-selling Tales game this gen is on the PS3 and it's a one year port of a game that was available on the 360.

Even Tales of Graces F is going to outsell all handhelds Tales games.

 

As for the "game killing bug", this argument is really random as a "game killing bug" wasn't reported by reviewers and thus didn't influence first week sales. Yes the game would have had better legs but legs are mostly inexistant in Japan anyway. Also, it's important to note that Tales of Graces was reviewed as the best Tales game ever when it came out. That definitely boosted sales.



Boutros on 09 January 2011
Soriku said:
Boutros said:

Even a Tales games on the 360 outsold a Tales game on the Wii despite it solding better in Japan.

 

Also, saying that a Tales game should be on handhelds is nonsense and shows you don't know much about the series.

The fanbase is on consoles and especially on the PS3.

The best-selling Tales game this gen is on the PS3 and it's a one year port of a game that was available on the 360.

Even Tales of Graces F is going to outsell all handhelds Tales games.

 

As for the "game killing bug", this argument is really random as a "game killing bug" wasn't reported by reviewers and thus didn't influence first week sales. Yes the game would have had better legs but legs are mostly inexistant in Japan anyway. Also, it's important to note that Tales of Graces was reviewed as the best Tales game ever when it came out. That definitely boosted sales.

Why are you comparing a well recieved mothership title on the 360 to a poorly recieved spinoff on the Wii? ToS name or not. Also ToG wasn't the best rated, it tied with Abyss.

Because he said no recent Tales game were localized. ToV and ToS2 were both recently localized so he was wrong.

ToG was still the best rated...it's not because it's tied with Abyss that it's not the best rated. Famitsu called it the best Tales game anyway.



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Pavolink on 09 January 2011
bmmb1 said:

So on the one hand, "a lot of those games suck", but on the other hand, the fact that Graces had a game killing bug should be ignored.

Since so far no recent Tales games have made it out of Japan, you need to look at Japan numbers only (which was Pavolink's point), not WW numbers, so saying that Demon's Soul numbers are amazing is wrong.

Regarding "PS3 still has 5 years" while handhelds are soon to change generation, doesn't matter in any way since jrpgs are very much front loaded, especially in Japan.

IF there is a lesson to be learned it is that JRPGs should either be on one of the handhelds (where they would sell much more, not to mention development costs would be much lower) or should be multiplatform Wii and PS3. That is the true lesson. Despite a game kiling bug on the Wii version and their respective publishing timing, Graces versions together have sold 530k in Japan only.

At least. Someone understand not only my point, but also the numbers I post.



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Boutros on 09 January 2011
Pavolink said:
bmmb1 said:

So on the one hand, "a lot of those games suck", but on the other hand, the fact that Graces had a game killing bug should be ignored.

Since so far no recent Tales games have made it out of Japan, you need to look at Japan numbers only (which was Pavolink's point), not WW numbers, so saying that Demon's Soul numbers are amazing is wrong.

Regarding "PS3 still has 5 years" while handhelds are soon to change generation, doesn't matter in any way since jrpgs are very much front loaded, especially in Japan.

IF there is a lesson to be learned it is that JRPGs should either be on one of the handhelds (where they would sell much more, not to mention development costs would be much lower) or should be multiplatform Wii and PS3. That is the true lesson. Despite a game kiling bug on the Wii version and their respective publishing timing, Graces versions together have sold 530k in Japan only.

At least. Someone understand not only my point, but also the numbers I post.

You mean your point that said that it would sell better on handhelds? Yeah well that isn't true.



Pavolink on 09 January 2011
Boutros said:
Pavolink said:
bmmb1 said:

So on the one hand, "a lot of those games suck", but on the other hand, the fact that Graces had a game killing bug should be ignored.

Since so far no recent Tales games have made it out of Japan, you need to look at Japan numbers only (which was Pavolink's point), not WW numbers, so saying that Demon's Soul numbers are amazing is wrong.

Regarding "PS3 still has 5 years" while handhelds are soon to change generation, doesn't matter in any way since jrpgs are very much front loaded, especially in Japan.

IF there is a lesson to be learned it is that JRPGs should either be on one of the handhelds (where they would sell much more, not to mention development costs would be much lower) or should be multiplatform Wii and PS3. That is the true lesson. Despite a game kiling bug on the Wii version and their respective publishing timing, Graces versions together have sold 530k in Japan only.

At least. Someone understand not only my point, but also the numbers I post.

You mean your point that said that it would sell better on handhelds? Yeah well that isn't true.





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leatherhat on 09 January 2011

Come on disgaea- get them points!



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Boutros on 09 January 2011
Pavolink said:
Boutros said:
Pavolink said:
bmmb1 said:

So on the one hand, "a lot of those games suck", but on the other hand, the fact that Graces had a game killing bug should be ignored.

Since so far no recent Tales games have made it out of Japan, you need to look at Japan numbers only (which was Pavolink's point), not WW numbers, so saying that Demon's Soul numbers are amazing is wrong.

Regarding "PS3 still has 5 years" while handhelds are soon to change generation, doesn't matter in any way since jrpgs are very much front loaded, especially in Japan.

IF there is a lesson to be learned it is that JRPGs should either be on one of the handhelds (where they would sell much more, not to mention development costs would be much lower) or should be multiplatform Wii and PS3. That is the true lesson. Despite a game kiling bug on the Wii version and their respective publishing timing, Graces versions together have sold 530k in Japan only.

At least. Someone understand not only my point, but also the numbers I post.

You mean your point that said that it would sell better on handhelds? Yeah well that isn't true.



But they don't sell much more on handhelds...

I don't understand.