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Boutros on 09 October 2010
darthdevidem01 said:
Boutros said:

I meant will soon!!

I edited my post.

It won't in Japan.

If PS3 did get a International re-release it could have

But The bright Square-Enix have made the International Edition exclusive to 360.

It's exclusive to the 360?! Wth...



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jarrod on 09 October 2010
Boutros said:

I meant will soon!!

I edited my post.


No, it won't, and there's almost no chance it ever will...

  • Final Fantasy XII (PS2) 2,322,541
  • Final Fantasy XII: International Zodiac Job System (PS2) 137,40
  • Final Fantasy XIII (PS3) 1,891,435
  • Final Fantasy XIII International Ultimate Hits (360) lol


Boutros on 09 October 2010

But you know what, I don't believe SE. I think they're lying. They just want the 360 version to sell more.

We will see it on PS3. I think.



jarrod on 09 October 2010
darthdevidem01 said:
Boutros said:

I meant will soon!!

I edited my post.

It won't in Japan.

If PS3 did get a International re-release it could have

But The bright Square-Enix have made the International Edition exclusive to 360.

It wouldn't have even if International went to PS3 too.  FFXIII can be had new for 800 yen in Japan, and it's had the worst legs of any game in the series that we know of.  FFXIII International also adds the least new content of any International rerelease, there's also no incentive for double dipping (which is probably why it's gone 360 only).



darthdevidem01 on 09 October 2010
jarrod said:
darthdevidem01 said:
Boutros said:

I meant will soon!!

I edited my post.

It won't in Japan.

If PS3 did get a International re-release it could have

But The bright Square-Enix have made the International Edition exclusive to 360.

It wouldn't have even if International went to PS3 too.  FFXIII can be had new for 800 yen in Japan, and it's had the worst legs of any game in the series that we know of.  FFXIII International also adds the least new content of any International rerelease we know if, there's also no incentive for double dipping (which is probably why it's gone 360 only).

It can't be had for 800 yen widely.

There was 1 shop and a picture from 2 people showing it at 800 yen

thelifatree who recently went to Japan confirmed its not at 800 yen at all.....that was a baseless rumor made up by Sankaku Complex based on 2 stores.

If SE added enough new content into the International Version it would do as well as FFXII's did with more time to sell over in a gen, but it is only on 360 forever now.

Then again your the person who said DQIX would outsell FFXIII......now this week FFXIII is ahead of DQIX in worldwide sales.....we can see how that turned out, I wouldn't expect you to give it a fair chance  tehehehe



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darthdevidem01 on 09 October 2010
Boutros said:

But you know what, I don't believe SE. I think they're lying. They just want the 360 version to sell more.

We will see it on PS3. I think.

You are accusing SE of lying

To the stakes with Boutros!



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Boutros on 09 October 2010
darthdevidem01 said:
Boutros said:

But you know what, I don't believe SE. I think they're lying. They just want the 360 version to sell more.

We will see it on PS3. I think.

You are accusing SE of lying

To the stakes with Boutros!

I also accuse them of promoting child molestation.



jarrod on 09 October 2010

<table style="width: 90%;" border="0"> <tbody><tr> <td><strong>darthdevidem01 said:</strong><br> <table style="width: 90%;" border="0"> <tbody><tr> <td><strong>jarrod said:</strong><br> <table style="width: 90%;" border="0"> <tbody><tr> <td><strong>darthdevidem01 said:</strong><br> <table style="width: 90%;" border="0"> <tbody><tr> <td><strong>Boutros said:</strong><br> <p>I meant will soon!!</p> <p>I edited my post.</p> </td> </tr> </tbody></table> <p>It won't in Japan.</p> <p>If PS3 did get a International re-release it could have</p> <p>But The bright Square-Enix have made the International Edition exclusive to 360.</p> </td> </tr> </tbody></table> <p>It wouldn't have even if International went to PS3 too.  FFXIII can be had new for 800 yen in Japan, and it's had the worst legs of any game in the series that we know of.  FFXIII International also adds the least new content of any International rerelease we know if, there's also no incentive for double dipping (which is probably why it's gone 360 only).</p> </td> </tr> </tbody></table> <p>It can't be had for 800 yen widely.</p> <p>There was 1 shop and a picture from 2 people showing it at 800 yen</p> <p>thelifatree who recently went to Japan confirmed its not at 800 yen at all.....that was a baseless rumor made up by Sankaku Complex based on 2 stores.</p> <p>If SE added enough new content into the International Version it would do as well as FFXII's did with more time to sell over in a gen, but it is only on 360 forever now.</p> <p>Then again your the person who said DQIX would outsell FFXIII......now this week FFXIII is ahead of DQIX in worldwide sales, I wouldn't expect you to give it a fair chance <img src="http://www.vgchartz.com/includes/tongue.gif" alt="" border="0"></p> </td> </tr> </tbody></table> <p>XII International only added a job system and tweaked the battle system though, there wasn't any real "new content".  It was pretty disappointing by International standards, though better than XIII International is (which afaik is just adding the english dub).</p> <p>Also, VGC might be undertracking DQIX in western territories.  The game did way better it's first NPD than VGC tracking had it at, and Nintendo's said it's doing better than they expected also, and now they're predicting it to be another "evergreen" in America/Europe.  Hopefully it does well enough for Nintendo to give out figures in their next IR doc, be nice if we had another Layton on our hands...</p>



KillerMan on 09 October 2010
darthdevidem01 said:
jarrod said:
ElGranCabeza said:
jarrod said:
ElGranCabeza said


Again, I disagree. DQ is everyone but not in the sense of a Karaoke Joysound or DecaSport, same with NiNoKuni, I think anything that has some kind of core appeal will sell more on PS3 even if they are mainstream (DQ, NiNoKuni, FF,MH). We're gonna have to stop here because we're not gonna agree on this and we'll most likely never find out :P

Again, DQ is "everyone"  in the same exact way Mario is "everyone".  And that's why it'd better on Wii versus PS3, just as Mario would.  Ditto for Ninokuni, and I'd even say something like FF might've done better on Wii.  They're all games that attract both casual and core audiences, they're fundamentally crossover games, and crossover games sell best on Wii.

I'd also say Karaoke Joysound or Deca Sports isn't at all "everyone".

No it's not.

Yes, it really is.  In terms of brand stength, historical significance and public perception, DQ is about as close to Mario as any 3rd party game gets.  Pokemon's somewhat in the same camp, they're games that literally appeal to "everyone" on some level.  And by large, these sorts of games tend to do better on DS/Wii than PSP/PS3.  More niche, more targeted, less mainstream, core games tend to better on PSP/PS3 than DS/Wii though, games like Winning Eleven, Musou, Megaten or Tales.  These games have a more focused fanbase makeup though, with fewer casual fans making up their overall base comparably... this is the reason FFXIII undershot what the series managed last gen, because the more casual auidence wasn't there on PS3 to push numbers like they were on PS2.  Basically, the bigger the brand, the more important that huge mainstream userbsae becomes.

I'd say the same of Ninokuni chiefly due to the Ghibli connection... Ghibli's also very much an "everyone" brand at this point in Japan, and if L5 handles it right, the game could be absolutely huge.  The upper threshold for "huge" is more relaible on Wii than PS3 though, there a reason games on Wii in Japan can actually cross 2 million sold.

Jarrod is right in the case of Japan

a lack of casual audience on PS3 in Japan led to FFXIII, Hot Shots Golf and even MGS4 not doing the best their series has done before in that region, And the same will happen to GT5

The west is a completely different story.

Actually MGS4 sold about the same amount as previous MGS games

MGS1: 781k

MGS2: 869k

MGS3: 831k

MGS4: 818k (still selling)



darthdevidem01 on 09 October 2010
KillerMan said:
darthdevidem01 said:
jarrod said:
ElGranCabeza said:
jarrod said:
ElGranCabeza said


Again, I disagree. DQ is everyone but not in the sense of a Karaoke Joysound or DecaSport, same with NiNoKuni, I think anything that has some kind of core appeal will sell more on PS3 even if they are mainstream (DQ, NiNoKuni, FF,MH). We're gonna have to stop here because we're not gonna agree on this and we'll most likely never find out :P

Again, DQ is "everyone"  in the same exact way Mario is "everyone".  And that's why it'd better on Wii versus PS3, just as Mario would.  Ditto for Ninokuni, and I'd even say something like FF might've done better on Wii.  They're all games that attract both casual and core audiences, they're fundamentally crossover games, and crossover games sell best on Wii.

I'd also say Karaoke Joysound or Deca Sports isn't at all "everyone".

No it's not.

Yes, it really is.  In terms of brand stength, historical significance and public perception, DQ is about as close to Mario as any 3rd party game gets.  Pokemon's somewhat in the same camp, they're games that literally appeal to "everyone" on some level.  And by large, these sorts of games tend to do better on DS/Wii than PSP/PS3.  More niche, more targeted, less mainstream, core games tend to better on PSP/PS3 than DS/Wii though, games like Winning Eleven, Musou, Megaten or Tales.  These games have a more focused fanbase makeup though, with fewer casual fans making up their overall base comparably... this is the reason FFXIII undershot what the series managed last gen, because the more casual auidence wasn't there on PS3 to push numbers like they were on PS2.  Basically, the bigger the brand, the more important that huge mainstream userbsae becomes.

I'd say the same of Ninokuni chiefly due to the Ghibli connection... Ghibli's also very much an "everyone" brand at this point in Japan, and if L5 handles it right, the game could be absolutely huge.  The upper threshold for "huge" is more relaible on Wii than PS3 though, there a reason games on Wii in Japan can actually cross 2 million sold.

Jarrod is right in the case of Japan

a lack of casual audience on PS3 in Japan led to FFXIII, Hot Shots Golf and even MGS4 not doing the best their series has done before in that region, And the same will happen to GT5

The west is a completely different story.

Actually MGS4 sold about the same amount as previous MGS games

MGS1: 781k

MGS2: 869k

MGS3: 831k

MGS4: 818k (still selling)

Thats excellent!

But I swear Is saw MGS3 around 950K there on some Famitsu sales sheet.....hmm dunno



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