You know, actually I don't think that Obama and his fiscal policy is any worse than the days where the feds had to pass laws regulating monopolies

We were talking about Obama's promises before, I just saw a video at another forum. "7 Lies in under 2 minutes"

He has been fed to the f----ing lions. Thats what i think about this sort of shit.

Oh and to say that people treated Bush the same is completely misleading. Atleast the Democrats compromised with Bush on occassion.

Apparently Obama said that if they lost this election it would be a big blow to his agenda?

For one thing, Bush didn't run as a transformational figure; Obama did. The constant refrain that all this dodgy wheeling and dealing bullshit is "business as usual" is no defense at all.

The Democrats often compromised with George W. Bush because the Bush Administration put forward an agenda that Democrats could support on an issue by issue basis because he needed the support of Democrats to get anything done.

The most accurate way to describe the approach taken by the Obama administration in creating an agenda is that Obama has passed the buck on creating an agenda to Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi; and the result of this is a confusing agenda focused heavily on issues that are not priorities to Americans, and anyone who is as (or more) conservative as a moderate democrat finds unacceptable. To make matters worse, the combination of making back-door deals with Drug-Companies, buying off senators to vote a certain way, and making tax exemptions to gain political support from a lobby group were in no way things he was forced to do; and he could have easily used it as an opportunity to deliver on the change that he promised in the election.

With Brown winning Massachusetts, any hope to improve healthcare in the near future is dead. The status quo is actually better for me personally, but I much prefer having a healther nation with better healthcare. Oh well, the conservative cowards who pee their pants when something different comes along will soon die off (by old age or the healthcare policy they support) and more educated, liberal voters will take their place and hopefully move the country forward.

If the Democrats can't govern with a 59-41 majority in the Senate, there is something very wrong with their agenda. Given how many independents who voted for Obama in '08 turned around and voted for Brown, I'd be very reluctant to blame this on "conservative cowards."

I'd also question the assumption that universal health care would lead to healthier Americans. There is a very real possibility that we would end up simply subsidizing bad behavior as we usually do.

Please, stop listing to the campaigning. NO ONE wants the status quo. Republicans, Democrats, and Independents.

Everyone wants to change healthcare, it's just the different groups want to change it in different ways. The BS about Republicans wanting to keep it the way it is, is just Democrats trying to drum up support for there version of reform.

I don't think Manus pays attention to the actual bills proposed, Mafoo.