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Ajescent on 14 January 2010
rynx said:
Ajescent said:
With regards to ps3 versions of game selling better than 360's, I argue that it's the exception not the norm. points of interest, on this site alone, 2 multies are in the top 10 Darksiders and COD:MW2 the 360 version of both games are doing better than the ps3's.

I agree the ps3 version of ff13 will do better, but I argue that no matter how much it sells, do you really think that will be enough for SE?

Goes back to my arguement of less effort+more returns=win.

If this was a 360 exclusive originally, I argue E3 '08 would not have happened in Sony's direction why?

1: too much work to port
2: Not garunteed to be successful if past trends are to be believed.
3: (personal belief) for some reason, SE amongst others are more willing to please MS than Sony atm so the liklihood of ps3 ports being perfected to match the 360 counterpart is unlikely.

all you doing is repeating yourself and it's quit annoying. again read my other comments. more consumers doesnt mean more sales. again ps3 owners are aware about console equality. dont you think that if people knew they're are getting longer content, uncompressed audio/video it will sale more on the ps3?? especially if advertise to the consumers properly? dont you think people from the 36o will buy either a ps3 or the ps3 version of the game? console equality is hurting ps3 sales. because its not on just 1 game but all multiplatform games. batman is an example it sold more on the ps3 i believe. please stop repeating yourself


I repeat myself because you keep arguing about compression and what not. I'll take a different angle then, believe it or not, that idea that folks who buy ps3s only do so for Blu-Ray playing abilities is truer than some would like to believe. It's all well and good having solid numbers on the ps3 front, if X amount isn't even interested in games to begin with, you're kinda on the back foot from the get go.

 Maybe it's just my perspective, but MS has NA region wrapped around it's finger that it's hard to remove. Folks accuse JP of being nationalistic when the US is guilty of the same thing.

E.g

Ps3 offers free online yet people are willing to pay $50 or so for XBLA, you could argue XBLA is better than psnso it's worth the money, isn't that the same thing as uncompressed audio and all that jazz? My point is, no matter how you spin it, America will keep choosing the 360 over the ps3 and devs will still keep giving it the inferior items.

 



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Ajescent on 14 January 2010

My connection seems especially crappy tonight, I keep double posting.



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rynx on 14 January 2010
Ajescent said:
My overall point was that as a ps3 owner you should be used to and be willing to accept you're gonna get fucked which ever way possible, so best get used to it. I should have made that more clearer.

no we shoudnt accept it as consumers that'll be dumb. if we can change it then there's a possibility that it will help sales of games (multiplatforms) and hardware on the ps3 drastically. if people know they are getting a better value for their buck on blu-ray.



Garnett on 14 January 2010

Well im mad that i paid $60 and my game had to lower its graphics just to look equal.


See what i did?



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Kasz216 on 14 January 2010
rynx said:
Kasz216 said:
rynx said:
Kasz216 said:
rynx said:
Kasz216 said:
I don't.

Maybe if PS3 was in first.

Why should I expect a company to make a superior version of the game on the console with the lowest userbase. They risk upsetting the 360 crowd for making an "inferior port"

They can afford to alienate PS3 owners a LOT more then they can 360 owners.

read my other comments that answer this. ps3 has the lead in others and japan. Ms NA, but NA is no longer the main region to win with are down economy at the moment. this isnt the 90's where you had to win NA in order to survive. so why rob us? why continue to practice 'console equality'?

No...

the Us still is the main region to win at the moment... even with the economic times.

Japan is actually LESS relevent then it was in the 90's.

Notice how companies like SE are desperatly trying to appeal more to the western audience.

 

sorry to inform you it's not. if you do not know this i feel sorry for you. europe is the region to win. if you invest all your time and money to a region thats in a economic crisis and people are skeptical to buy and also those who are losing their jobs you will go banrupt lol. why do you think after the price cut sony started outselling the 360? people want to save money and invest on something that can be use for anything and for cheap

Er... you do know the economic crisis hit europe as well right?

It actually hurt some europeon countries harder then the US.

are you kidding me lol? if i recall the value of the pound and euro just went up recently i dont know how long ago. also if i recall the currecny for china went up as well and china is part of "others"

Actually, most recently the Euro and pound went down against the dollar.

The US moves over double the software the EU does.

Check out the VGchartz numbers.

Tie ratios are far greater in the US then EU.

 



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Ajescent on 14 January 2010

By accepting it, doesn't make it right, I'm saying it does exists and there's not a lot we can do about it.

I might be wrong but I only 2 two options.

1: Boycott; doing this only confirms that porting to the ps3 was not worth the effort as the returns or lack of speaks volumes.

2: Complain to the companies directly but call me cynical however I do believe this will just fall on deaf ears as they'll just look at the other people buying for the ps3 and "file it under not an issue."

So unless there's a 3rd option, I don't really see what else ps3 owners can do.



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rynx on 14 January 2010
Ajescent said:
rynx said:
Ajescent said:
With regards to ps3 versions of game selling better than 360's, I argue that it's the exception not the norm. points of interest, on this site alone, 2 multies are in the top 10 Darksiders and COD:MW2 the 360 version of both games are doing better than the ps3's.

I agree the ps3 version of ff13 will do better, but I argue that no matter how much it sells, do you really think that will be enough for SE?

Goes back to my arguement of less effort+more returns=win.

If this was a 360 exclusive originally, I argue E3 '08 would not have happened in Sony's direction why?

1: too much work to port
2: Not garunteed to be successful if past trends are to be believed.
3: (personal belief) for some reason, SE amongst others are more willing to please MS than Sony atm so the liklihood of ps3 ports being perfected to match the 360 counterpart is unlikely.

all you doing is repeating yourself and it's quit annoying. again read my other comments. more consumers doesnt mean more sales. again ps3 owners are aware about console equality. dont you think that if people knew they're are getting longer content, uncompressed audio/video it will sale more on the ps3?? especially if advertise to the consumers properly? dont you think people from the 36o will buy either a ps3 or the ps3 version of the game? console equality is hurting ps3 sales. because its not on just 1 game but all multiplatform games. batman is an example it sold more on the ps3 i believe. please stop repeating yourself


I repeat myself because you keep arguing about compression and what not. I'll take a different angle then, believe it or not, that idea that folks who buy ps3s only do so for Blu-Ray playing abilities is truer than some would like to believe. It's all well and good having solid numbers on the ps3 front, if X amount isn't even interested in games to begin with, you're kinda on the back foot from the get go.

 Maybe it's just my perspective, but MS has NA region wrapped around it's finger that it's hard to remove. Folks accuse JP of being nationalistic when the US is guilty of the same thing.

E.g

Ps3 offers free online yet people are willing to pay $50 or so for XBLA, you could argue XBLA is better than psnso it's worth the money, isn't that the same thing as uncompressed audio and all that jazz? My point is, no matter how you spin it, America will keep choosing the 360 over the ps3 and devs will still keep giving it the inferior items.

 

ll make it simple. console equality not only limits blu-ray but also hurts sales for the ps3. if people know they can get better audio/video longer content, uncompressed files dont you think those who are against console equality will start purchashing multiplatforms? dont you think those who own a 360 would buy the blu-ray version? its the reason why blu-ray beat Hd dvd. there was no movie equality and therefor people bought blu-ray. common sense dude.

and im fully aware not till the ps3 takes the NA lead will console equality be drop. but when we own both others and japan in sales i dont understand why they would cater to a region thats in a economic crisis and for a console that pirating is big for? THEREFOR THEY ARE ROBBING US PS3 OWNERS and losing on a bigger profit margin.

anyways i gotta go cya everyone



RVDondaPC on 14 January 2010

Also, note: if every ps3 owner boycotts poor ports, that only confirms that the port was not worth the effort and stops future folks from making ports because they ask "why bother?"

That is not how the market works and that is not how a successful business is run. If they are boycotting games for being bad ports, that means the money that consumers were spending on bad ports before is now looking for a new place to go. That is an opportunity for developers to be that new place. They would then start creating better ports which the consumers would then be willing to buy and the first quality ports would get a lot of consumer support. Other developers would then follow suit with diminishing returns, of course, and then we would be back to where things were except that the ports would be better than before. 

That is how the market works. Now what you described. 



rynx on 14 January 2010
Ajescent said:
By accepting it, doesn't make it right, I'm saying it does exists and there's not a lot we can do about it.

I might be wrong but I only 2 two options.

1: Boycott; doing this only confirms that porting to the ps3 was not worth the effort as the returns or lack of speaks volumes.

2: Complain to the companies directly but call me cynical however I do believe this will just fall on deaf ears as they'll just look at the other people buying for the ps3 and "file it under not an issue."

So unless there's a 3rd option, I don't really see what else ps3 owners can do.

yeah it confirms people will not support being robbed. so developers have two options

relase the blu-ray version as it suppose to be and see the sales increase and FULL profit. just like how blu-ray beat HD DVD without movie equality.

or continue to cater for a console that pirating is big for therefor gain/lose profit

 

well i gtg



rynx on 14 January 2010
RVDondaPC said:

Also, note: if every ps3 owner boycotts poor ports, that only confirms that the port was not worth the effort and stops future folks from making ports because they ask "why bother?"

That is not how the market works and that is not how a successful business is run. If they are boycotting games for being bad ports, that means the money that consumers were spending on bad ports before is now looking for a new place to go. That is an opportunity for developers to be that new place. They would then start creating better ports which the consumers would then be willing to buy and the first quality ports would get a lot of consumer support. Other developers would then follow suit with diminishing returns, of course, and then we would be back to where things were except that the ports would be better than before. 

That is how the market works. Now what you described. 

exactly.