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As per Nazna's figures, plus my own observations of each, I suspect Steam is currently somewhat ahead of 360 (not but much) and definately ahead of PS3.

I also suspect it's DD sales are better than either Live or PSN looking at the breadth of both AAA big titles plus smaller, indie titles it has to offer.

So yes, it has more customers - love the Freudian slip though!



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naznatips said:

This doesn't compeltely answer your questions, but:

In Feb 2009, Valve reported more than 20 million active steam subscribers. I'd assume this means they log on at least once a week, as I believe that's the same qualification Sony and MS use when they report active subscribers. Source: http://g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/693342/Live-Blog-DICE-2009-Keynote---Gabe-Newell-Valve-Software.html

Xbox Live just reported only 20 million active active subscribers last week, which is all accounts including their gold, silver, windows live, and even forum accounts (I had an xbox live account for a full year before I got a 360). Source: http://www.kotaku.com.au/2010/01/xbox-360-39-million-consoles-sold-only-half-are-on-xbox-live/

In that same report, Microsoft bragged that they reached a record of 2.2 million users online simultaneously. Steam however far exedes that number on a daily basis, and its peak number of congruent members is almost 2.5 million daily. What their peak is I have no idea, but I would assume it's much much larger. Source: http://store.steampowered.com/stats/

As far as revenue, Steam doesn't release such information, but I do know World of Goo, despite being available in many locations, made the mast majority of its money on Steam. Source: http://www.offworld.com/2009/03/indie-games-summit-ron-carmel.html

 

I don't think there's any question that Steam is a signifficantly larger online service than Xbox Live and PSN. The only remaining question is if it's larger than them combined... but that seems unlikely.

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I'd assume that an active subscriber is a person that has a 'subscription', that is, owns a game on steam. Much like Daggy says. And I'm not all that impressed with Steams peak numbers either. Most people (my assumption) that installs steam doesn't untick the 'start steam when windows start' box in the settings, so the number of people active at the same time would be incomparable to the xbox's numbers, because people don't log in to Live unless they are playing or planning to play games (again, this is my assumption).

I'd agree with Steam being bigger than PSN, and I definitely think it brings in way more revenue than either PSN or Live, probably way more than both of those together (apart from the Live subsciption fee anyway). But I don't think, as the OP asked, that it has more customers than the PS3 or the Xbox 360.



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Yes, the start on startup thing is something I have wondered as well for Steam's numbers. The number of people playing games via Steam is usually quite paltry. But that is why I think Steam is a much better source for DD but as a gaming portal, people don't use it as often.



JaggedSac said:
Yes, the start on startup thing is something I have wondered as well for Steam's numbers. The number of people playing games via Steam is usually quite paltry. But that is why I think Steam is a much better source for DD but as a gaming portal, people don't use it as often.

2.5 million playing consequetively is "quite paltry" now?



Scoobes said:

2.5 million playing consequetively is "quite paltry" now?

I'm not really sure what you mean by consequetively. I can only assume that you either mean 'at the same time' or that you are making a joke. Not sure which, so I'm going to go with the first option and respond in kind.

That is the amount of users logged in at the same time. I'm usually logged on to Steam around 5 hours per day. I PLAY games on Steam around 1 hour per day. If everyone does the same, that would mean around 500k  people are playing games on Steam at the same time at the peaks. I bet the number would be much higher on Xbox Live.



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Scoobes said:
JaggedSac said:
Yes, the start on startup thing is something I have wondered as well for Steam's numbers. The number of people playing games via Steam is usually quite paltry. But that is why I think Steam is a much better source for DD but as a gaming portal, people don't use it as often.

2.5 million playing consequetively is "quite paltry" now?

Here are the top games being played on Steam as we speak and teh number of players.  First column is number of players now, 2nd column is peak.

 

  82,083 116,551   Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 - Multiplayer
  68,736 90,935   Counter-Strike: Source
  56,398 75,085   Counter-Strike
  15,615 25,605   Football Manager 2010
  14,026 20,203   Team Fortress 2
  13,436 18,641   Left 4 Dead 2
  10,916 14,959   Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2
  7,707 7,748   Zero Gear
  7,499 10,726   Empire: Total War
  7,141 9,297   Condition Zero
  4,036 6,366   Football Manager 2009
  3,525 6,297   Day of Defeat: Source
  3,507 5,214   Left 4 Dead
  3,037 5,103   Garry's Mod
  2,473 3,675   Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War II
  1,962 3,176   Killing Floor
  1,841 3,144   Star Trek Online - Beta
  1,812 2,804   Grand Theft Auto IV
  1,427 2,754   Dragon Age: Origins
  1,373 1,972   Half-Life 2: Deathmatch
  1,154 1,657   Half-Life 2
  1,128 1,730   Day of Defeat


I'm more interested in how many games are being sold on Steam than anything else.

It'd be nice if Valve would release data on that.



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One thing I'd add, I guess it depends what you mean by customers. I'm not really considering online, as that will vary by days of the week, time of day, etc. but people using the service to play, buy games, etc. reasonably regularly.

Steam sells a fair amount of SP titles as well as online, and I'd count PC gamers using it to buy SP games customers, even though they won't show up that often using online stats.

So in total I suspect WW there are more people using Steam to buy, trial or play games and that as a result of the strength of its DD side it probably sells more (although it doesn't have the additional Live subscription fee so that probably evens things out a little vs Live).



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That's incorrect. The second column is peak players today. Not peak overall. Means today there've been 450K people playing online... at 10AM... on a Wednesday... (and that's EST, most of the US is still earlier).



JaggedSac said:
Scoobes said:
JaggedSac said:
Yes, the start on startup thing is something I have wondered as well for Steam's numbers. The number of people playing games via Steam is usually quite paltry. But that is why I think Steam is a much better source for DD but as a gaming portal, people don't use it as often.

2.5 million playing consequetively is "quite paltry" now?

Here are the top games being played on Steam as we speak and teh number of players.  First column is number of players now, 2nd column is peak.

 

  82,083 116,551   Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 - Multiplayer
  68,736 90,935   Counter-Strike: Source
  56,398 75,085   Counter-Strike
  15,615 25,605   Football Manager 2010
  14,026 20,203   Team Fortress 2
  13,436 18,641   Left 4 Dead 2
  10,916 14,959   Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2
  7,707 7,748   Zero Gear
  7,499 10,726   Empire: Total War
  7,141 9,297   Condition Zero
  4,036 6,366   Football Manager 2009
  3,525 6,297   Day of Defeat: Source
  3,507 5,214   Left 4 Dead
  3,037 5,103   Garry's Mod
  2,473 3,675   Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War II
  1,962 3,176   Killing Floor
  1,841 3,144   Star Trek Online - Beta
  1,812 2,804   Grand Theft Auto IV
  1,427 2,754   Dragon Age: Origins
  1,373 1,972   Half-Life 2: Deathmatch
  1,154 1,657   Half-Life 2
  1,128 1,730   Day of Defeat

How on earth can Left 4 Dead have so extremely few players? I refuse to believe it.