No the quote I'm referring to is where he says they have a powerful piece of hardware, and they want to start with core users then move out to "casuals"

As for your quote, he actually is referring to NATAL,  if he was just referring to core games, then he would have said are buying not going to buy, since they already are buying core games disproportionately for the Xbox, he was using the future tense to refer to future core games, in this regard NATAL core games

Nope, your argument s flawed, by facts, 360 has made no headway into the downmarket, even with all the stuff they bring, so they will still be starting in the core.

:) Oh dear god.  Perhaps I will use different quotes:

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/4053/microsofts_future_begins_now_.php?page=3

"In the future, as we continue to add more content, we expand the social networking integration, and create gaming experiences like Natal -- based on Natal for a broader audience -- I think you're going to see Xbox 360 become much more appealing to a much wider fan base."

http://www.qj.net/qjnet/news/microsoft-project-natal-will-bring-in-casual-gamers.html

Casual gamers are a tricky lot, so says Microsoft spokesperson David Dennis. Since they are not as "serious" as other hardcore gamers are, their interest in gaming products tend to wane faster. Hence, it is always a challenge to get them hook, and more importantly, get them stay hooked. Their big trick out of the bag for this purpose: Project Natal.

"I think if you look at experiences in other platforms that are doing well, they're not all necessarily core experienes. Wii Fit was number seven [in November]. So there are certainly a lot of upsides for experiences if they're done right that go beyond the core but still capture the imagination of the core.

 I don't think Wii Fit does that, but there are certainly opportunities to do that. It's about redefining who your customer segmentation is, and really looking at who the customers are that you have and how to have a frequent relationship with them, but also looking to new audiences. I think you can do both witout alienating either."

If you really think Natal is not being released on the 360 as a way to get casual gamers onto the system, I really don't know what to say.  Being a core gamer, I am excited that they are trying to entice both, but Natal is definitely aimed at the casual.

^ I'm afraid you still don't get it, they can say the phrase of wanting to expand the audience, but the proof is in the games they have shown, they've adapted NATAL to be used in racers, FPS, skateboarding games, among others, these aren't going to get them to the downmarket. They are still designing NATAL experiences around the core. They are still following the same strategy I highlighted earlier, of starting in the core and then trying to move to the downmarket, a plan that has not worked for them all this gen.

Ok, so now we can throw out all quotes and concentrate on the games? You look at the E3 Natal video and you think "they are really going after the core with Natal"? Ricochet is core? That paint thing was core?  Milo is core?

I find it very interesting that you are possibly the only person around who thinks Natal is for core 360 gamers. Hell, most people around here can't even think of core games to make for it.

they have showed tech demo's of what natal may be able to accomplish, justlike the tech demo of what the ps wand may be able to do, nothing more.

If i take what youhave written above, i can apply the same to the wii:

mariokart= racing

various sports games= wii sports

conduit and house of dead= shooters

using logic, it one can question the following:

how will Ubisoft be able to develop 11 games for the core, when the core expect high production values? in the time given to complete 11 games for natal, they wont be even be abe to release 1 game of the likes of PoP or Splinter Cell.

Burnout on Natal was a dumbed down version- no boost ability, no explosion ability, no after touch ability.

the ads shown with a racing game and sports game was aimed at the casual. evidence is within the video where they show a family using natal for family games, casual games and non-game related ways of implementing Natal. there was not a single moment in the add where it was aimed for the hardcore gameing audience.

the half life video was questionable and there is no evidence to say it is natal compatible.

I am not saying there wont be any core natalgames, i am just saying that other than speculation and quotes that can be interpretated either way, everything we have is pretty much speculation.

yeh because the PS wand will be huge and change everything...

both will fail

im not biased 

Fable 3 is for the downmarket?

Mario Kart is a very different creature than burnout, Wii sports is different than grand slam tennis, the Nintendo Wii games are designed with the values of the downmarket, the other games are not, conduit and house of the dead are third party titles that haven't done very well, and haven't reached the downmarket Wii audience.  Fable 3 is definitely core, its not going to reach the downmarket.

And Fable 3 can be played without Natal.  Peter said it is still a controller experience.  Anything else?