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Ail said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
"On the other hand I sort of see this as the best potential a Wii war shooter type thing could sell."

Call of Duty's brand name is on the 360 and PS3. It's not that strong on the Wii yet, because this is the first MW game on it, which is what made CoD strong on those systems.

At this point with the advertising and marketing that was done, CoD is global franchise and I don't think the non core gamers that saw ads during his footbal game necessary payed attention to which platform the game was released on...

The public at large is aware of the CoD brand ( the huge coverage the release  got on TV and in the press helped that too)...

i think you are blending too many theories to avoid a logical answer. You are thinking of cebras if you are trying to guess a Call of Duty rated M game sales are mostly attributed to moms and dads(the uninformed ones), buying it as  a gift for their "childs" that are a bit overgrown AND happen to own a wii?.

So basically:

Most of MW sales are bought by uninformed parents to their 17+ year olds? Seriously?

Theres a noticeable chunk of the wii playerbase who are independent ,adults, got a wii for a or b reasons(such as the innovative control scheme), or Mario, but also like good shooters and the wii happens to have very good controls for such games. Is not too difficult to guess that out of the active 20 million users, some gotta buy COD.We can go all the way back to COD3 where the wii sales pretty much matched the PS3 sales. The COD franchise wasnt as huge back then, there were no TV ads pretty much.But you can find the origin of the franchise strenght on the wii market right there. COD3, WAW,MW. Basically, its a known franchise for wii owners, and they know it plays nicely with the wiimote.



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intro94 said:
Ail said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
"On the other hand I sort of see this as the best potential a Wii war shooter type thing could sell."

Call of Duty's brand name is on the 360 and PS3. It's not that strong on the Wii yet, because this is the first MW game on it, which is what made CoD strong on those systems.

At this point with the advertising and marketing that was done, CoD is global franchise and I don't think the non core gamers that saw ads during his footbal game necessary payed attention to which platform the game was released on...

The public at large is aware of the CoD brand ( the huge coverage the release  got on TV and in the press helped that too)...

i think you are blending too many theories to avoid a logical answer. You are thinking of cebras if you are trying to guess a Call of Duty rated M game sales are mostly attributed to moms and dads(the uninformed ones), buying it as  a gift for their "childs" that are a bit overgrown AND happen to own a wii?.

So basically:

Most of MW sales are bought by uninformed parents to their 17+ year olds? Seriously?

Theres a noticeable chunk of the wii playerbase who are independent ,adults, got a wii for a or b reasons(such as the innovative control scheme), or Mario, but also like good shooters and the wii happens to have very good controls for such games. Is not too difficult to guess that out of the active 20 million users, some gotta buy COD.We can go all the way back to COD3 where the wii sales pretty much matched the PS3 sales. The COD franchise wasnt as huge back then, there were no TV ads pretty much.But you can find the origin of the franchise strenght on the wii market right there. COD3, WAW,MW. Basically, its a known franchise for wii owners, and they know it plays nicely with the wiimote.


also, not all dads are old and clueless - im 27 and a dad, and got a wii so my missus could enjoy my console too, for my loyalty to nintendo over the years and the fact that i would have missed zelda, metroid mario and starfox.

so yes, i am a dad who bought a console for my family, but that doesnt mean i still dont want mature games for after bed time! or that i dont know my stuff!



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Frankly I see CoD sales on Wii as being a real hinderence to Wii getting more FPS. From HVS yes, because they can have a little niche to themselves and be profitable but not from any of the big guns.

Why? Because if the biggest name in FPS can only sell 1m with no competition, how can they compete with CoD and even make a million with game like Left 4 Dead, or heck any FPS which would have zero history with the Wii base? They sell a lot less than CoD on HD consoles and would have to assume the same on Wii which instantly means they'll be luck to make 500k. Considering no history with the Wii audience it would likely be even lower. Not really worth their investment (in time more than cost).

If CoD could break 3-4m then I'd expect to sell a lot of FPS come to Wii. Not before then.



 

"Because if the biggest name in FPS can only sell 1m with no competition"

Competition is not the only sales hindrance. And it's the biggest name on the HD systems BECAUSE of MW1, which is just now on the Wii.



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Davey1983 said:
Procrastinato said:
You guys realize that being a 2-year-old port is not really a big deal, considering that both this game and WaW would obviously be purchased on another platform, if it were available. Its not old if it wasn't available, no matter how long the wait.

Actually, I bet several people would take the Wii version over the HD versions if they were both available.

For MW, I would take the Wii version over the HD version any day.  Yes, the graphics are inferior, but the controls are just that much better on the Wii.  It is quite telling when I am playing MW2 (on my buddies Xbox) that I wish it had Wii controls (I also had this problem with RE5-- the game would be so much better with Wii controls).

I totaly agree on this.

Let's face it, Wii controls are the best option for fps and that's quite obvious. It is easy to understand that Sony and Microsoft are betting for motion controls to get a share of the niche Nintendo is monopolizing. But how come so many 360 and PS3 users are so excited about them? Because well implemented motion controls are great!

Killzone 2 is an outstanding game, yet I had more fun with the Wii version of COD:WAW.



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LordTheNightKnight said:
Metallicube said:

Funny how everyone forgets to mention this game whenever talking about the lack of sales for M rated games on the Wii, pointing to Dead Space Extraction or Madworld instead. M rated Wii games can sell if they are not niche and have a good deal of content. This game is an example of that.

They also forget Resident Evil 4 unless they exclude ports just to reduce the number.

But it's true. Those games would not have sold well on the HD systems, so acting as though the Wii made them not sell is just BS made up to make the Wii look bad.

Let alone the M rated games.

- The Force Unleashed sell better on Wii than in PS3.

- Guitar Hero 3, 4, 5, Aerosmith, Smash Hits, Van Halen  sold more in Wii than in the HD Consoles. Only the XBOX 360 version of Metallica outsold the Wii version so far and only by 1K.

- With Rock Band entries happens something only a bit different. The Wii versions always outsell the PS3 version and when it comes to Rock Band: Beatles, it even outsells 360.

- Ghostbusters sells 0.52m in PS3, 0.44m in 360 and 0.33m in Wii. Though is the third one on this dispute, I guess it still sold quite well.

- Shaun White only got a sequel on Wii. And before that sold the double than in 360 and more than the triple than in PS3.

- Lego Batman, Star Wars and Indiana Jones all did better on Wii than in the HD consoles.

- Sonic Unleashed did better on Wii. I wonder what will happen with the All Stars Racing.

- Tiger Woods PGA sells better on Wii (Well implemented and intuitive motion controls).

- I wonder how Mega Man 9 did on the three consoles.

You might argue if these are core games at all, you might even say that all of them but TFU are casual games (are they? really?), but what I intend to point out is that when games are properly developt they sell pretty well on Wii, in many cases even better than in the HD consoles.



LordTheNightKnight said:
"Because if the biggest name in FPS can only sell 1m with no competition"

Competition is not the only sales hindrance. And it's the biggest name on the HD systems BECAUSE of MW1, which is just now on the Wii.

 

That's like saying no Xbox360 user knows Final Fantasy because that Franchise has never been released on a Microsoft console before.......

So basically you're saying every time a Wii user hears about CoD or MW, he puts his hands over  his ears and start singing 'la la la la' ??

 



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

"That's like saying no Xbox360 user knows Final Fantasy because that Franchise has never been released on a Microsoft console before......."

But there was a CoD game on the Wii before, which was the disappointing 3, which MW did a big thing counteracting on the HD systems.



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Ail said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
"Because if the biggest name in FPS can only sell 1m with no competition"

Competition is not the only sales hindrance. And it's the biggest name on the HD systems BECAUSE of MW1, which is just now on the Wii.

 

That's like saying no Xbox360 user knows Final Fantasy because that Franchise has never been released on a Microsoft console before.......

So basically you're saying every time a Wii user hears about CoD or MW, he puts his hands over  his ears and start singing 'la la la la' ??

 

There's no point in trying to pry their hands from their ears, Ail.

They all go on about how its way better than the HD versions here, and then, in a different thread, they'll point fingers at 3rd party publishers for "not trying hard enough" as an explanation as to why there are a subpar number of "quality games" on it from 3rd parties.



 

Procrastinato said:
Ail said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
"Because if the biggest name in FPS can only sell 1m with no competition"

Competition is not the only sales hindrance. And it's the biggest name on the HD systems BECAUSE of MW1, which is just now on the Wii.

 

That's like saying no Xbox360 user knows Final Fantasy because that Franchise has never been released on a Microsoft console before.......

So basically you're saying every time a Wii user hears about CoD or MW, he puts his hands over  his ears and start singing 'la la la la' ??

 

There's no point in trying to pry their hands from their ears, Ail.

They all go on about how its way better than the HD versions here, and then, in a different thread, they'll point fingers at 3rd party publishers for "not trying hard enough" as an explanation as to why there are a subpar number of "quality games" on it from 3rd parties.

What's the real explanation then? Also I don't know if I read people claiming the whole Wii package of the game is better than the HD version, just the control interface I've read as some saying it is superior to DA. 



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