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cAPSLOCK on 05 January 2010

MRFENIX said:
cAPSLOCK said:

We didn't make the wrong console choice. Apparently Midway, Sierra, Take-Two, Eidos, ACES, EA, and Activision all did--because all of those companies are either dead or had to make massive cutbacks. That's just the ones I can think of off the top of my head this year. Does that sound to you like healthy, strong industry? Especially amidst record profits for Nintendo? Sounds to me like they all backed the wrong horse and are getting fucked for their stupid decisions.

Good riddance, I hope a lot more companies crumble in 2010. Adapt or perish, and apparently most companies are choosing "perish"

You sure do sound bitter for a gamer who did not make a wrong console choice. But hey, you can always have fun with wii sports, wii fit, mario kart and all other great games(*).

 

(* following part is directly from your previous post)

Obviously a game can not be good unless it sells more than 20 million copies.  20 million is a much bigger circle to jerk with than 5 million. The more the merrier.

Still have a PC for hardcore games and PS3 for hi def casual games, I'm not hurting for any type of gaming experience.  It doesn't make the Wii's treatment any less disappointing. It also doesn't negate the fact that 3rd party treatment of the Wii is an anomaly looking at the history of consoles--which is the whole point of the topic of this thread: why is this the first generation where overwhelming marketshare still doesn't lead to 3rd party support? 

It's not all the developers sitting around in smokey back rooms conspiracy theory style saying "let's all avoid the Wii!"

It's not difficulty to develop for, PS3 wins that crown.

What does that leave? My argument is after Blizzard, Valve, and Nintendo there's a huge quality and creativity dropoff, and it's a fairly easy argument to make.

I never said a game wasn't good unless it sold 20 million, I just said it was a better game. You didn't honestly think Medal of Honor: Allied Assault Part 9: Modern Warfare 2 would be good enough to break down barriers and usher in a new age of old people screaming "faggot" over xbox live did you?

Must suck to have to grasp so hard at straws you can't even present an argument honestly.



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Gintoki on 05 January 2010
KylieDog said:
Gintoki said:
KylieDog said:
Gintoki said:
KylieDog said:
Gintoki said:

Since when you're forced to play with wiimote and nunchuk?I use my GC or Classic Controllers to play SSBB,Tatsunoko...

That's great period.

So the problem is not that controls are bad but that most third parties don't know what to do first when they think about how could be their games on Wii.

 

SSBB and TvC were both made for Wii and thus limited in control scheme to what the Wii has.

 

Street Fighter IV as one example would never work since you need 3 punch buttons, 3 kick buttons and the ability to hit 3 different sets of Punch/kick at once, the ability to hit 2 punches or kicks at once and the ability to hit all 3 punches or all 3 kicks at once.  The Wiimote/chuck just do not have enough buttons easily available and expecting people to go buy a dedicated controller just to play the game probably destroys any good sales estimates.

 

Fighting games aren't the only genre with such problems also.  Even if there are enough buttons also it is about ease of use and many fall short in that area.

I don't feel this way:I played Street Fighter IV and I don't use all the buttons...mainly the middle and heavy kick/punch...SSBB sold well and Tatsunoko may sell in a descent way.Wii also has arcade controllers(if I remember there will be bundle with Tatsunoko in Europe)

Then I said  I own a GC so I did not need to buy more controllers.

 

Just because you are a scrub at the game (and if you only use middle and heavy attacks then you are) doesn't mean the game would not horribly suffer by being on the Wii.

 

'Scrub' is not an insult incase you misunderstand, it just means you are a inexperienced player or have the equivalent skills of one.

I'm not.Even on Street Fighter II on GBA or SNES, you don't need to use all the buttons.Funny to hear I have lack in experience when I always beat my friends who own the game.I'm not a scrub watch your words before pointing at me and check the few informations you can find about me here. the others attacks aren't needed when you use to play at every Street Fighter this way and win.There are useless possibities in a game.I don't need these buttons in Street Fighter because I found them useless years ago.

I'm far from a scrub.

 

Winning scrub vs scrub fights is not evidence of anything.  You've obviously never played a good player making such statements and you clearly fail to understand why such things not being possible in a Wii version would completely ruin the game, making a Wii port worthless.

I said stop judging people without evidence.You don't know me, you don't know my friends and you keep acting this way... you really are boring...

And Fighting games can be awesome on Wii.However I don't want a port of Street Fighter IV.Street Fighter II worth more...I hate Ryu's face in this game.As if you use all the buttons in a game.Non sense.

 



LordTheNightKnight on 05 January 2010
MRFENIX said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
MRFENIX said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
"You sure do sound bitter for a gamer who did not make a wrong console choice."

It's the lack of respect and recognition to the winning console that makes us bitter.

What is that respect&recognition you are looking for?

You seriously don't know what we mean? Do you even know how the last generation leaders were treated?

I want you to tell me what is that "respect and recognition" you are talking about.

Do you mean you don't know what I mean at all or are you asking me to be specific?



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

Shonen on 05 January 2010

i dont care abolt batman at all , but there is alot of games that dont comes out on wii that i would like to play thou



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MRFENIX on 05 January 2010
LordTheNightKnight said:
MRFENIX said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
MRFENIX said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
"You sure do sound bitter for a gamer who did not make a wrong console choice."

It's the lack of respect and recognition to the winning console that makes us bitter.

What is that respect&recognition you are looking for?

You seriously don't know what we mean? Do you even know how the last generation leaders were treated?

I want you to tell me what is that "respect and recognition" you are talking about.

Do you mean you don't know what I mean at all or are you asking me to be specific?

Let's say that I have no idea of what you are talking about. I just want you to define what did you mean by respect and recognition.



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LordTheNightKnight on 05 January 2010
MRFENIX said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
MRFENIX said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
MRFENIX said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
"You sure do sound bitter for a gamer who did not make a wrong console choice."

It's the lack of respect and recognition to the winning console that makes us bitter.

What is that respect&recognition you are looking for?

You seriously don't know what we mean? Do you even know how the last generation leaders were treated?

I want you to tell me what is that "respect and recognition" you are talking about.

Do you mean you don't know what I mean at all or are you asking me to be specific?

Let's say that I have no idea of what you are talking about. I just want you to define what did you mean by respect and recognition.

Well I'm not going by any personal defintion of the words if that is what you mean. I'm going by the dictionary defintions. All this putting down of the Wii by the gaming press is clearly not respect or recognition, nor is the lack of support from third parties (not that they should drop support for the HD systems, but give support to the Wii as well).



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

MRFENIX on 05 January 2010
LordTheNightKnight said:
MRFENIX said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
MRFENIX said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
MRFENIX said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
"You sure do sound bitter for a gamer who did not make a wrong console choice."

It's the lack of respect and recognition to the winning console that makes us bitter.

What is that respect&recognition you are looking for?

You seriously don't know what we mean? Do you even know how the last generation leaders were treated?

I want you to tell me what is that "respect and recognition" you are talking about.

Do you mean you don't know what I mean at all or are you asking me to be specific?

Let's say that I have no idea of what you are talking about. I just want you to define what did you mean by respect and recognition.

Well I'm not going by any personal defintion of the words if that is what you mean. I'm going by the dictionary defintions. All this putting down of the Wii by the gaming press is clearly not respect or recognition, nor is the lack of support from third parties (not that they should drop support for the HD systems, but give support to the Wii as well).

Are you saying that games like zelda, smg, metroid, nsmb wii and so on did not get any respect or recognition? Because I think good wii games will get the respect and recognition. I don't see how a console could get respect. After all, it is all about the games. Maybe the gaming press just does not like some of those top selling wii titles... then again, I haven't been following wii related stuff as much as you propably have. :p

But when it comes to support from third parties, I really don't see where the problem is. When you look at the top selling software on whichever platform, you will see what kind of games third parties are making for the platform in question.

There are games like wii sports and wii play and those kind of games are abudant on wii. Wii fit has sold a lot, you will see ea sports active and propably more like them. Then there are platformers, is there a shortage of 3rd party platformers on wii? Wii gets the party games (guitar hero and such). I see wii getting some shooters  and as far as I know wii is getting some jrpg too.

What are the games which hd-consoles are getting you wish to see on wii? I am really curious about that. Actually an answer from any wii only gamer would be nice.

 



Pristine20 on 05 January 2010
cAPSLOCK said:

MRFENIX said:
cAPSLOCK said:

We didn't make the wrong console choice. Apparently Midway, Sierra, Take-Two, Eidos, ACES, EA, and Activision all did--because all of those companies are either dead or had to make massive cutbacks. That's just the ones I can think of off the top of my head this year. Does that sound to you like healthy, strong industry? Especially amidst record profits for Nintendo? Sounds to me like they all backed the wrong horse and are getting fucked for their stupid decisions.

Good riddance, I hope a lot more companies crumble in 2010. Adapt or perish, and apparently most companies are choosing "perish"

You sure do sound bitter for a gamer who did not make a wrong console choice. But hey, you can always have fun with wii sports, wii fit, mario kart and all other great games(*).

 

(* following part is directly from your previous post)

Obviously a game can not be good unless it sells more than 20 million copies.  20 million is a much bigger circle to jerk with than 5 million. The more the merrier.

Still have a PC for hardcore games and PS3 for hi def casual games, I'm not hurting for any type of gaming experience.  It doesn't make the Wii's treatment any less disappointing. It also doesn't negate the fact that 3rd party treatment of the Wii is an anomaly looking at the history of consoles--which is the whole point of the topic of this thread: why is this the first generation where overwhelming marketshare still doesn't lead to 3rd party support? 

It's not all the developers sitting around in smokey back rooms conspiracy theory style saying "let's all avoid the Wii!"

It's not difficulty to develop for, PS3 wins that crown.

What does that leave? My argument is after Blizzard, Valve, and Nintendo there's a huge quality and creativity dropoff, and it's a fairly easy argument to make.

I never said a game wasn't good unless it sold 20 million, I just said it was a better game. You didn't honestly think Medal of Honor: Allied Assault Part 9: Modern Warfare 2 would be good enough to break down barriers and usher in a new age of old people screaming "faggot" over xbox live did you?

Must suck to have to grasp so hard at straws you can't even present an argument honestly.

The gaming industry isn't run for the sole purpose of pleasing you mate. I'm not sure any of these companies particularly care that you are displeased. Since you think they aren't creative anyway, why do you care for their wii effort? It most certainly would not be creative and most definitely wont be a "better" game since it won't sell 20 million. You should make it to CEO in these "clueless" gaming companies so you can right their wrongs. Till then keep enjoying your Nintendo, Valve and Blizzard games with your 19,999,999 colleagues.



"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

LordTheNightKnight on 05 January 2010

"Are you saying that games like zelda, smg, metroid, nsmb wii and so on did not get any respect or recognition?"

This thread is about the Wii, not Nintendo franchises. How could you not even get the point of what I'm discussing?



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

Pristine20 on 05 January 2010
boilermaker11 said:
cAPSLOCK said:
Pristine20 said:

Geez....people are still arguing about this? 3rd party devs have always had the freedom to do whatever they wanted. Back when the ps2 had 70% marketshare, some 3rd parties chose to go xbox exclusive with their games (think Panzer Dragoon, Ninja Gaiden, DOA, etc). There were no tears, everyone moved on because it was their loss. This should be the ideal attitude of wi fans but we get non-stop complaining instead.

Now, fast forward to the wii's gen. The wii hasn't obtained 50% marketshare yet yet it already has raging fanboys who think every game should be on their system since its 1st place. The industry ain't that simple. We were mostly given the idea that the wii ushered in a new type of gaming so why would a wii fan be clamoring for games like MW2 or Street fighter? These games still follow the "old school formula. It doesn't make sense to me.

You should buy a system for the games that are already on it or that you're sure would be on it in the future not because of mere assumptions based on marketshare. It'll save you headache. Instead of whining to capcom that sf4 or RE5 isn't on wii, perhaps you should get a 360? It's just as cheap as the wii. Some people list of games they think should be on wii that are exclusive to HD platforms are quite long. If you wanted those games, wouldn't it have made sense to have gotten a HD console instead of the wii? On the contrary, if you think Mario and Zelda are ultimately more worthwhile than all the 3rd party HD exclusives, then don't complain.

The point is you said "some" third parties and acting like there's any kind of parallel between between 3rd party support for the consoles, it's not "some" there are literally 0 AAA 3rd party titles on the Wii, in 3 years at 50% marketshare? Doesn't ZERO seem like kind of an odd number to you?  No one said "every game" and again you're creating some kind of extreme fantasy request to make it sound like your argument isn't a complete pile of shit while at the same time downplaying the fact that there has not been, to date in 3 years, one single solitary AAA 3rd party title.

Could care less about SF4 and MW2, but that level of EFFORT would be nice by 3rd parties for the Wii.

Again, your argument relies so heavily on these magical extremes I can't even figure out why you bothered to type it.

No....it uses pretty much all the logic people have been using when buying consoles since the Atari. You buy the console based on the games that are available and wil be available, not buy a console and pray to God that certain game come to it, and when they don't, complain about it.

And sure, no one specifically used the term "every game" but it sure as hell is implied. Every time the next blockbuster 3rd party title comes out, there's alwas a "Why wasn't the Wii considered?" thread or comment from tons of people, and since it happens every time, I would assume that it pertains to "every game".

So please pick your poison and stick with it. First it was complaining about why 3rd parties aren't putting their established franchises on the Wii, and now it's about certain amounts of effort. They obviously don't feel like putting their games on the Wii, so it seems like YOU made the wrong console choice. You don't see people buying 360s and complaining about why Ubisoft isn't putting the "Petz" games on that platform.

And in terms of effort, they obviously don't want to put effort into making a AAA Wii game, and instead invest in HD. Once again, YOU made the wrong console choice. If they want to "ignore buckets of money", let them, because at the end of the day, it doesn't matter if the company goes bankrupt, just as long as they produce a quality game that the consumer can play. It's just like what people have been saying about the PS3 since launch. Sony has been in the red since PS3 launched, yet they continually put out great games. Does it matter to you that they "bleed money"? It shouldn't, as long as you get enjoyable games.

You want established 3rd party franchises that aren't spin-offs or remakes, you're not gonna find the majority of them on the Wii. If you want games where 3rd parties worked extremely hard, marketed it properly, and makes people say "I must have this game", again, you aren't gonna find that on the Wii, based on what we've seen in the past 3 years. So instead of complaining about it, why don't you just suck it up and buy the appropriate console in which 3rd parties put "that level of EFFORT" into their games? As easily as you bought your Wii, you could've bought a 360 in which 3rd parties are putting that level of effort into their games

/smh

 

EDIT

Thank you very much man. I have never understood why this concept is so hard to grasp. I bought an xbox last gen because I wanted to play Ninja Gaiden so badly. I didn't cry on internet forums that the game should've been on ps2. Only in the wii's gen has this behaviorb become something that is "normal". Nothing is owed to anyone for owning or supporting the console with the highest marketshare. Just because the PS1 and PS2 got great 3rd party support doesn't mean the wii "deserves" it. In fact, it is generally known that Sony moneyhatted for a lot of this "support". If Ninty is too "holy" to moneyhat and we stand by their decision then we should accept the wii for what it is.



"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler