It leaves me to beg the question, is non EU immigration into our country more of a problem than its worth?


It leaves me to beg the question, is non EU immigration into our country more of a problem than its worth?


@FootballFan: I don't know the specific situation in UK, but it likely is or will be if things don't change.
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| FootballFan said: It leaves me to beg the question, is non EU immigration into our country more of a problem than its worth? |
I would say no, but stricter immigration laws are needed to iron out the dregs and idiots from the well-educated and free thinkers. The laws currently, more times than is acceptable, protect the wasters and hateful preachers we sometimes see, whilst turning back potentially useful workers that may actually have a benficial effect on the UK. A points system should have been implemented many years ago as well as immigration tests. For one thing they definately need to know basic English before they're let in and once they are here we need to ensure they're integrating well for at least the first 2 yrs of their stay.
| bdbdbd said: @FootballFan: I don't know the specific situation in UK, but it likely is or will be if things don't change. |
Has Finland got a large Islamic population? I am aware that Sweden has now and eventually will become a majority.
300,000 out of 9 million


@FootballFan: No, not yet. However, i wasn't specifically talking about population size, but pretty much what Scoobes said above.
Problem isn't the immigration itself, but how you deal with immigration.
By the way, it's always funny how USA is used as an example how well immigration works (though, nobody ever mentiones what happened to indians), but how that immigration was made to work is always dissed as "a wrong way to deal with it".
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Immigration has been the biggest problem to ever hit America.
The genocide of the natives by killing their food supplies, and it was people mostly from England who did it....
Its horrible to think that a race that was situated there has (virtually?) been wiped out.
One mainstream political party wants to impose a cap on the number of foreign nationals entering the country, i think this could be a good idea but it still doesn't tackle the massive birth rates the people of non Europesan origin have in this country.


@FootballFan: Read again what Scoobes said. There's the real problem.
The current situation in a nutshell:
Immigrant does something illegal and they give him a free pass for being an "outsider".
Someone has an idea that an immigrant has a problem, they throw money at him for "integration".
They think the immigrant still has a problem, so they throw more money at him.
Etc.
Etc.
The immigrant becames a problem for someone and that someone complains about him. The someone is told to go into himself, there's no problem and if there is a problem the problem is the person who complained. And they throw money at the immigrant, so that he gets rid of the problem, which was the guy who the immigrant was causing problems to.
Etc.
Etc.
They tell you that islamic people are very peaceful people. But you should be careful for not to upset them, because then they will get angry and attack you. If that happens, it's your own fault and you're the problem. So, back in the taxpayers wallets...
Etc.
For those who wonder, no, i wasn't joking.
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| kowenicki said: It is all a result of the multi-culturalism. It simply doesnt work and it never has. |
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| Reasonable said: You can't stop geography, cultural background and social issues. If the US was geographically closer to Europe, and had the same cultural history as Britain, it would be seeing plenty of home grown extremists itself right now. Of course, it is a problem, but seeing it as some sort of policy failure is exactly the simplistic approach that got US into so much trouble in Iraq and other countries. We are talking about situations that are the end result of a many years of cultural shifts, plus natural geography and proximity. The reality is that, over time, unless things change, the odds of extremists being spread across many European countries is very likely - Britain is simply in a position due to its history where it's leading the way (not intentionally of course). Personally, some serious thoughts on policy regarding what culture Britain actual wants and policies around that seem to be required. Right now Britain has changed hugely in a very short period of time, from a cultural perspective, and it's all been organic - i.e. unplanned in any way. Given it's roots in India and Pakistan, social and economic inequality plus the fact integration of immigrants, particularly those with other religions other than the nominal 'official' religion of Britain - i.e. Christianity - has been pretty poor, with most living in tightly insular communities, plus the obvious lure of a 'British' extremist, it's of no surprise at all to me that we're seeing what we're seeing. Another thing that would help would be if the US actually listened to Europe on the effects it actions will have on certain individuals living in Britain and other European countries - historic foreign policy by US has often handed certain movements exactly what they need to recruit from certain communities on a silver plate. |
We have homegrown terrorists. The Oklahoma City bombing was the work of an american.
| FootballFan said: It leaves me to beg the question, is non EU immigration into our country more of a problem than its worth? |
We should have picked our own cotton.
I'm sick of hearing immigrants do jobs we don't want to. They don't want to for long, and they certainly don't move back to their own countries afterwards. They are people, not slaves and we should not treat them as such.
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