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Falcon095 said:
Final-Fan said:
A:  Look, if there is a sword of dragonslaying in the game then there's a 95%+ chance that there's a dragon in the game.  It's not that hard to figure out and frankly I'm finding it hard to believe you failed to make the connection.  But ... possible.  

B.  All you said on that day was that he had SOME kind of secret or some information that he was hiding.  With a game that IIRC was known or very likely to have lots of power roles it wasn't THAT much of a risk to take.  I mean look at the scoreboard:  5 of 22 people don't have one.  

A: I'm going to repeat this again, I got my PM and saw +3 sword of dragonslaying and was like wtf? Yes, a Dragon connection seems logical but by that time we didnt know anything about a Dragon and we hadn't had a thief in a game so I didnt know how the connection between the objects and the person.

What exactly do you suggest that I should've done? Do you think that I should have said Hey I have a role that find stuff about people but I'm not gonna share that I found a +3 sword of dragonslaying because it's obvious that those are from a knight that will kill a dragon and If I mention it he's gonna get killed and I dont want that because it's obvious that he's pro town! Now that I think about it I'm glad that I mentioned it because it's the only thing that proves I have a role.

I'm finding this acusation funny, you say, all your findings were form people that have already roleclaimed or dead! but on the other hand you said that I shouldn't have said anything about Makingmusic because that just hurted us.

B: I'm going to repeat (again) what I said in the last post and add a little bit to fit your new statement

So in the second day when nobody had hinted anything and the dragon hadnt even killed I guessed that MM had a role which happened to be the Knight WITHOUT knowing that there were a lot of roles in the game and so far all the ones I have make up items from are saying the truth? Damn I'm on fire!
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Stop with those foolish accusations, I understand that there isnt a lot of proof that shows who is anti town or who isn't but this is ridiculous, you claimed that dsister wasn't making sense with sfb acusations but you're making those claim, I mean.. come on! You changed from "well.. you only said that MM had a role" to "Look at the board there are 5 people without a role".. If you are gonna make an acusation at least try to look at it when it was done not how it sees now.

A:  You didn't know the connection??  There are only two real choices:  he's a dragon-slaying character or he's a dragon.  And the second option really doesn't make much sense.  

I thought I'd already said what you should have done, but let me spell it out for you:  Either keep your damn mouth shut for a couple days or until you or MM476 are in danger of lynching, or come out and roleclaim and tell about MM476 being in all probability a good guy.  And not just claim he has "a power role" which makes the town suspect him of being scum while the scum know very well he has to be town and kill his ass.   (Which is exactly what happened.)  Your half-assed statement accomplished nothing but to mark MM476 for death.  

B:  I had the impression going into this game that there would be many power roles, maybe I had no reason for this belief...

But as for all of the people so far that you gave items for not being lying ... damnation, do I have to say it?  It was pretty freaking obvious that we were on the same faction, and there were too many of us to all be mafia.  Not to mention that dsister has confirmed just about all of our powers which means you really didn't have much risk.  And seriously, say SFB was lying scum.  Would he really call you out on a mistaken item?   

C:   I ... changed?  Look, when I made that second point you refer to I specifically said that going into this game it was likely that there were lots of power roles.  Maybe I'm mistaken when I recall there being discussion about that and people wanting a game with many power roles, but that's why I said that.  I'm not just pulling this out of my ass and using evidence after the fact.  

P.S.  I realize that people want to defend themselves, and when someone goes after them like I'm going after you it's liable to get pretty strong-worded, but you really seem to be freaking out a little bit here.  IMO it indicates that you're more likely to be the one we're looking for.  You don't even rebut my points that well IMO.  



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To repeat:
@ dsister: Without quoting your PM, do you think it's at all plausible that Falcon could target you with his ability (ANY ability) without triggering your ability to absorb that power?

Oh and hey: if it's a tie vote, does that mean a double lynch?

I like the double lynch idea. If dsister votes Falcon or SFB switches his vote then it will be 2 for SFB, 2 for Falcon.

@ SFB: GMT-6 = WoW-time, I believe, so it will only be 1015 at that time, and the deadline is 2000.

Ima protect dsister tonight, dunno about you other cats.



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Had a nasty thought while sleeping: who says Dgc is good? He possesses people, and won't say who. Even if his note does refer to the mafia, he could still be independent.

But I'm sticking to my other plan. If we still don't win by tomorrow, then I think I'll suspect Dgc, but for today it's Falcon/SFB.



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so, no-one is interested in anything I say to defend myself then?

posted it twice now and still NO response...



Final-Fan said:
Had a nasty thought while sleeping: who says Dgc is good? He possesses people, and won't say who. Even if his note does refer to the mafia, he could still be independent.

But I'm sticking to my other plan. If we still don't win by tomorrow, then I think I'll suspect Dgc, but for today it's Falcon/SFB.

I could say similar to quite a few people in this game... T_T



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Final-Fan said:
Falcon095 said:
Final-Fan said:
A:  Look, if there is a sword of dragonslaying in the game then there's a 95%+ chance that there's a dragon in the game.  It's not that hard to figure out and frankly I'm finding it hard to believe you failed to make the connection.  But ... possible.  

B.  All you said on that day was that he had SOME kind of secret or some information that he was hiding.  With a game that IIRC was known or very likely to have lots of power roles it wasn't THAT much of a risk to take.  I mean look at the scoreboard:  5 of 22 people don't have one.  

A: I'm going to repeat this again, I got my PM and saw +3 sword of dragonslaying and was like wtf? Yes, a Dragon connection seems logical but by that time we didnt know anything about a Dragon and we hadn't had a thief in a game so I didnt know how the connection between the objects and the person.

What exactly do you suggest that I should've done? Do you think that I should have said Hey I have a role that find stuff about people but I'm not gonna share that I found a +3 sword of dragonslaying because it's obvious that those are from a knight that will kill a dragon and If I mention it he's gonna get killed and I dont want that because it's obvious that he's pro town! Now that I think about it I'm glad that I mentioned it because it's the only thing that proves I have a role.

I'm finding this acusation funny, you say, all your findings were form people that have already roleclaimed or dead! but on the other hand you said that I shouldn't have said anything about Makingmusic because that just hurted us.

B: I'm going to repeat (again) what I said in the last post and add a little bit to fit your new statement

So in the second day when nobody had hinted anything and the dragon hadnt even killed I guessed that MM had a role which happened to be the Knight WITHOUT knowing that there were a lot of roles in the game and so far all the ones I have make up items from are saying the truth? Damn I'm on fire!
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Stop with those foolish accusations, I understand that there isnt a lot of proof that shows who is anti town or who isn't but this is ridiculous, you claimed that dsister wasn't making sense with sfb acusations but you're making those claim, I mean.. come on! You changed from "well.. you only said that MM had a role" to "Look at the board there are 5 people without a role".. If you are gonna make an acusation at least try to look at it when it was done not how it sees now.

A:  You didn't know the connection??  There are only two real choices:  he's a dragon-slaying character or he's a dragon.  And the second option really doesn't make much sense.  

I thought I'd already said what you should have done, but let me spell it out for you:  Either keep your damn mouth shut for a couple days or until you or MM476 are in danger of lynching, or come out and roleclaim and tell about MM476 being in all probability a good guy.  And not just claim he has "a power role" which makes the town suspect him of being scum while the scum know very well he has to be town and kill his ass.   (Which is exactly what happened.)  Your half-assed statement accomplished nothing but to mark MM476 for death.  

B:  I had the impression going into this game that there would be many power roles, maybe I had no reason for this belief...

But as for all of the people so far that you gave items for not being lying ... damnation, do I have to say it?  It was pretty freaking obvious that we were on the same faction, and there were too many of us to all be mafia.  Not to mention that dsister has confirmed just about all of our powers which means you really didn't have much risk.  And seriously, say SFB was lying scum.  Would he really call you out on a mistaken item?   

C:   I ... changed?  Look, when I made that second point you refer to I specifically said that going into this game it was likely that there were lots of power roles.  Maybe I'm mistaken when I recall there being discussion about that and people wanting a game with many power roles, but that's why I said that.  I'm not just pulling this out of my ass and using evidence after the fact.  

P.S.  I realize that people want to defend themselves, and when someone goes after them like I'm going after you it's liable to get pretty strong-worded, but you really seem to be freaking out a little bit here.  IMO it indicates that you're more likely to be the one we're looking for.  You don't even rebut my points that well IMO.  

A: Again I'm repeating, We have never had a thief so I didnt know how explicit the connection was, and we had never seen a dragon so I freaked out when I saw the sword, I'm glad that you have super common sense that would've guessed that but I don't.

If I had stayed quiet I would've run the risk of getting killed without the oportunity to share what I had found, I agree that I screwed up by making an hal-assed statement but that wasn't my intention, the day was over before I had the chance to talk with MM.

B: Again you have super common sense but I don't, it was obvious that there would be many protective roles according to WoW but I didnt know that most of the people would've one role

I have stolen from both sfb and dsister so unless you lynch any of them (or both) there's nothing to prove that If I have lied or not.

C: There was said that there was gonna be many protective roles, yes. But there was never said that most people would've a role, when I heard that I guessed something like 4-5 protective roles and 2-3 SK to balance and that's it. I never thought there would be a lot of people with role.

Again this means that either you think I was extremely lucky or I have a role. pick one.

P.S. I don't really get why you're saying that, I haven't even said the words I have thought of lol (not because I have freaked out, that's how I talk when arguing, etc). The thing is that you keep searching for excuses to make me look bad, look at the conversation, you aren't mentioning all the original points, the points A and B are just thoughts of you that appearently I should've thought because you do and point C is an explanation of the point B

My point is that your points are based in just pure speculation, I'm sure that everybody has done actions (and probably worse) the ones you are pointing of me.

And yes, I'm getting tired of the game because we're only six people and nothing happens and nobody votes, the only thing that ain't make me wanna leave the game is you arguing with me (ironic huh? lol)



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Final-Fan said:
Had a nasty thought while sleeping: who says Dgc is good? He possesses people, and won't say who. Even if his note does refer to the mafia, he could still be independent.

But I'm sticking to my other plan. If we still don't win by tomorrow, then I think I'll suspect Dgc, but for today it's Falcon/SFB.

And you appearently summons spirits that go and chase people...

The only that makes you different of sfb, dgc and me is that dsister got your power, which wouldn't mean anything in the case he is lying.



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Can I ask that everyone say who they are the most suspicious of, and why.
dsister: SciFiBoy
SciFiBoy: Dgc1808

So, "dsister: SciFiBoy" means that you suspect SFB, and "SciFiBoy: Dgc1808" is the reason you suspect him?  Or are you refusing your own request?  

I suspect Falcon because dsister didn't get a PM
I suspect SFB because if Falcon isn't lying then SFB's hat was "frightening".  
I think it would be really epic if dsister or SAK were bad (especially dsister) but I can't think of any way it's plausible.   

I already said why I suspect him...

@ the other thing you said.

I don't see any way how I wouldn't gain the ability. No loopholes or anything 

And I am good with the double lynch

vote: Falcon095

SAK, block dgc1808



@ Falcon: I'm curious what points you made that I didn't address.

But really, I think we've probably covered that argument pretty thoroughly; after all, we're trying to convince others of our viewpoint more than each other, and more of the same arguments over and over will just turn them off.

What do you think of the double lynch?

P.S. By strong words I didn't mean that you were swearing or anything; it just seemed like you were getting really, really worked up about the prospect of dying, more so than a townie would IMO. Scum are more prone to panicking than townies IMO.



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OKAY! With dsister's vote we have 2 votes each for Falcon and SciFiBoy. Hopefully when we hit the deadline WoW just kills off everyone with the most votes and as they're tied it'll be both of them. And hopefully we're right about at least one of them. But I think the odds are really good.



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