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disolitude on 11 February 2010
Rainbird said:
disolitude said:
Rainbird said:
Lyrikalstylez said:
Im not interested in this 3D, Besides Just to play it requires me to buy a whole new t.v. which isnt worth it in my opinion.....Seems like a market ploy on sony's part to increase sales on its t.v. division

Sony as a whole are taking in 3D. They think 3D will be the next big thing (and I agree), and are gearing up to be prepared for when it gets popular. They are creating 3D movies with their movie division, 3D TVs with the TV division, games, etc.

In my experience 3D works best as a cool novelty that you do once or twice a week...

Its not something I want to do every day for gaming to be honest. There are issues with eye strain and headache if you do it too often, lights have to be completely off and there are other trade offs from making this tech accessible to everyone.

While you are right in saying its the next cool tech to get if you are a tech junkie, I don't see this ever being huge with the general public.

The 3D effects I get in games in movies is quite amazing...but I have a 67 inch TV. What % of the population is goign to buy a 60+ inch TV. I see a lot of people with 40 inch TVs or lower saying "whats the big deal?" or "this is too small...I'll just go to Imax when I want 3D"

The tech is still in a fledging state though, and I think those issues will become lesser over time. I don't know how long it will be, but it will happen, if not with the current tech, then some new "3D" technology.

Its a good start to get the industry back on the 3D bandwagon...but this tech is not in its infancy. This 3D tech at the moment is not different than what they did on the Sega master system back in 1987. ITs just that they can finally do it with HD signals and televisions. CRTs were doing this exact 3D many years ago... You can buy a 3D PS2 accessory that makes many games display in 3D on you CRT TV - http://www.i4u.com/section-viewarticle-112.html

Now that the real content starts coming, hopefully the tech is pushed to new levels. I want to see 3D holograms in 2 years! :)



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nordlead on 11 February 2010

lol, just thought I'd mention this, but I brought up 3D TV with my mom, and even she responded that 3D TV will never take off. I was shocked she even knew anything about 3D TV

Anyways, I'd love to play with 3D games/movies, but the cost is so prohibitive, and we haven't even moved most of our programming to HD. Heck, lots of people still have SD TVs. I'm also with Twesterm though, as I hate wearing glasses on my glasses, as they make them for people without glasses.




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Munkeh111 on 11 February 2010

Annoyingly my HDTV isn't quite good enough for 3D, only 100Hz, so my only option is my next PC

Will this be good enough:

http://www.sony.co.uk/product/vn-f-series/vpcf11z1e-bi

 

It has quad core i7, so should be fine on the processing side, but I am worried about the GeForce GT 330M graphics card, but I think the screen should be okay... Though even if it can't do HD, it is still a monster of a laptop



disolitude on 11 February 2010
Munkeh111 said:

Annoyingly my HDTV isn't quite good enough for 3D, only 100Hz, so my only option is my next PC

Will this be good enough:

http://www.sony.co.uk/product/vn-f-series/vpcf11z1e-bi

 

It has quad core i7, so should be fine on the processing side, but I am worried about the GeForce GT 330M graphics card, but I think the screen should be okay... Though even if it can't do HD, it is still a monster of a laptop

Sadly the video card will limit the 3D performance of this machine. You will be able to play 2006 and prior games just fine. I think the laptop will have issues playing current games even on low settings.

That video card is about the same as radeons HD4650...you need atleast a 4850 or GTX260 on the nvidias side.



disolitude on 11 February 2010

UPDATE:

2010 TV models that will support 3D have been posted here - http://www.3dmovielist.com/3dhdtvs.html

 
Make and Model Screen Size (diagonal) Native Resolution 3D Display Method Native 3D Input Format Type of Glasses    
LG LD920 or LD360 47" (119cm) 1920x1080 micro-polariser LCD 3D row-interleaved custom circularly polarised coming soon  
(row-interleaved)  
   
LG LE9500 series 55" (139cm) and 47" (119cm) 1920x1080 120Hz time-sequential 3D LED backlit LCD frame-sequential 120Hz active shutter glasses coming soon  
 
 
Panasonic TC-P65VT25 65" (165cm) 1920x1080 120Hz time-sequential 3D Plasma frame-sequential 120Hz active shutter glasses coming soon  
 
 
Panasonic TC-P58TV25 58" (147cm) 1920x1080 120Hz time-sequential 3D Plasma frame-sequential 120Hz active shutter glasses coming soon  
 
 
Panasonic TC-P54VT25 (Japan: TH-P54VT2) 54" (137cm) 1920x1080 120Hz time-sequential 3D Plasma frame-sequential 120Hz active shutter glasses coming soon  
 
 
Panasonic TC-P50VT25 (Japan: TH-P50VT2) 50" (127cm) 1920x1080 120Hz time-sequential 3D Plasma frame-sequential 120Hz active shutter glasses coming soon  
 
 
Samsung UN55C7000  55" (139cm) 1920x1080 120Hz time-sequential 3D LED backlit LCD frame-sequential 120Hz active shutter glasses coming soon  
 
 
Samsung UN46C7000  46 " (116cm) 1920x1080 120Hz time-sequential 3D LED backlit LCD frame-sequential 120Hz active shutter glasses coming soon  
 
 
Samsung UN40C7000  40" (101cm) 1920x1080 120Hz time-sequential 3D LED backlit LCD frame-sequential 120Hz active shutter glasses coming soon  
 
 
Samsung PN58C7000  58" (147cm) 1920x1080 120Hz time-sequential 3D Plasma frame-sequential 120Hz active shutter glasses coming soon  
 
 
Sony XBR-60HX900 60" (152cm) 1920x1080 120Hz time-sequential 3D LED backlit LCD frame-sequential 120Hz active shutter glasses coming soon  
 
 
Sony XBR-52HX900 52" (132cm) 1920x1080 120Hz time-sequential 3D LED backlit LCD frame-sequential 120Hz active shutter glasses coming soon  
 
 


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Rainbird on 11 February 2010
disolitude said:
Rainbird said:
disolitude said:
Rainbird said:
Lyrikalstylez said:
Im not interested in this 3D, Besides Just to play it requires me to buy a whole new t.v. which isnt worth it in my opinion.....Seems like a market ploy on sony's part to increase sales on its t.v. division

Sony as a whole are taking in 3D. They think 3D will be the next big thing (and I agree), and are gearing up to be prepared for when it gets popular. They are creating 3D movies with their movie division, 3D TVs with the TV division, games, etc.

In my experience 3D works best as a cool novelty that you do once or twice a week...

Its not something I want to do every day for gaming to be honest. There are issues with eye strain and headache if you do it too often, lights have to be completely off and there are other trade offs from making this tech accessible to everyone.

While you are right in saying its the next cool tech to get if you are a tech junkie, I don't see this ever being huge with the general public.

The 3D effects I get in games in movies is quite amazing...but I have a 67 inch TV. What % of the population is goign to buy a 60+ inch TV. I see a lot of people with 40 inch TVs or lower saying "whats the big deal?" or "this is too small...I'll just go to Imax when I want 3D"

The tech is still in a fledging state though, and I think those issues will become lesser over time. I don't know how long it will be, but it will happen, if not with the current tech, then some new "3D" technology.

Its a good start to get the industry back on the 3D bandwagon...but this tech is not in its infancy. This 3D tech at the moment is not different than what they did on the Sega master system back in 1987. ITs just that they can finally do it with HD signals and televisions. CRTs were doing this exact 3D many years ago... You can buy a 3D PS2 accessory that makes many games display in 3D on you CRT TV - http://www.i4u.com/section-viewarticle-112.html

Now that the real content starts coming, hopefully the tech is pushed to new levels. I want to see 3D holograms in 2 years! :)

Hmm, I thought it was newer. The shutter glasses at least, I know we've had the horrible color glasses for ages

But still, much has happened, and I think we'll be seeing some bigger improvements with this bandwagon-ride.



Hephaestos on 11 February 2010

I love 3D gaming.

didn't give me a headache or anything.... but i'm very skeptical about that whole current gen consoles 3D.... it's been all about HD graphics and rare are the games that can actually produce true HD graphics, so selling the near future as a 3D fest with just patches and a firmware, it's just hypocrytical. I mean sure they'll have 3D... but it'll probably be with a graphical quality that is lower than wii games.

Now should they say that next gen hardware will be fully 3D compliant (as in 3D vision where any game can be 3D, even if not planned for it), then yeah, I do see game producers looking forward to this... 3D is a way to look flashy without having to spend tons of money on being more HD than HD already is. It's the cheap evolution to make use of higher processing power... and HD games already cost enough to produce.



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Tbone on 11 February 2010

Great thread.

My personal opinion about 3d is that i don´t like it at all, i wanna play games just the way i´m doing now. If if becomes a succes and all starts making 3d games then its probably goodbye gaming for me.



 

Munkeh111 on 11 February 2010
disolitude said:
Munkeh111 said:

Annoyingly my HDTV isn't quite good enough for 3D, only 100Hz, so my only option is my next PC

Will this be good enough:

http://www.sony.co.uk/product/vn-f-series/vpcf11z1e-bi

 

It has quad core i7, so should be fine on the processing side, but I am worried about the GeForce GT 330M graphics card, but I think the screen should be okay... Though even if it can't do HD, it is still a monster of a laptop

Sadly the video card will limit the 3D performance of this machine. You will be able to play 2006 and prior games just fine. I think the laptop will have issues playing current games even on low settings.

That video card is about the same as radeons HD4650...you need atleast a 4850 or GTX260 on the nvidias side.

Okay, thanks. Do you mean it will struggle in 2D as well? tbh, I am not really that interested in 3d, it would just be a nice bonus...

@ Kowneicki, firstly that is not the exact computer that I will actually get, mine will be £100 cheaper. With a quick look at Dell's site, I can't find anything else with 8GB of RAM and quad core i7 processor AND a blu-ray reader



disolitude on 11 February 2010
Hephaestos said:
I love 3D gaming.

didn't give me a headache or anything.... but i'm very skeptical about that whole current gen consoles 3D.... it's been all about HD graphics and rare are the games that can actually produce true HD graphics, so selling the near future as a 3D fest with just patches and a firmware, it's just hypocrytical. I mean sure they'll have 3D... but it'll probably be with a graphical quality that is lower than wii games.

Now should they say that next gen hardware will be fully 3D compliant (as in 3D vision where any game can be 3D, even if not planned for it), then yeah, I do see game producers looking forward to this... 3D is a way to look flashy without having to spend tons of money on being more HD than HD already is. It's the cheap evolution to make use of higher processing power... and HD games already cost enough to produce.


I hope next gen consoles are 3D compatible too...but game development will be through the roof if that becomes the standard.

Also, only on next gen consoles will we be able to see games Gears of War 2 and Uncharted 2 in 3D... By then graphics would have evolved so something even better. Consoles will always have a hard time with 3D as they usually play catch up when it comes to tech.

I'd happy with 10 3d console releases per year.