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Kynes on 22 December 2009
DjFlex53 said:

I think you're slightly confused.....Sega publishes alot of games that you think they actually developed. AvP is developed by Rebellion not Sega and the same goes for Alpha Protocol which is developed by Obsidian. Bayonetta was developed by Platinum games...formerly Clover Games.

And my mistake...his name is Hideki Kamiya not Hideo. He also made Resident Evil 1 & 2 besides developing Okami, Devil May Cry and Viewtiful Joe.

You know, a lazy newcomer to the industry.



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DjFlex53 on 22 December 2009
Kynes said:
DjFlex53 said:
 

I think you're slightly confused.....Sega publishes alot of games that you think they actually developed. AvP is developed by Rebellion not Sega and the same goes for Alpha Protocol which is developed by Obsidian. Bayonetta was developed by Platinum games...formerly Clover Games.

And my mistake...his name is Hideki Kamiya not Hideo. He also made Resident Evil 1 & 2 besides developing Okami, Devil May Cry and Viewtiful Joe.

You know, a lazy newcomer to the industry.

I almost bit on that sarcasm, Kynes



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BMaker11 on 22 December 2009
DjFlex53 said:
BMaker11 said:
DjFlex53 said:
Dno said:
DjFlex53 said:
The comments in this thread by PS3 owners continually validates my disdain for them and Sony.
In one voice, they claim superiority over all other consoles and in the next voice they blame developers when the PS3's weaknesses are exposed.

Hideo Kamiya has created Devil May Cry, Okami and Viewtiful Joe. He is not a lazy developer.


This comment is wrong on so many levels that i wont even make a list of he games vastly better on ps3, i wont make a list of devs saying time and time again that the ps3 is stronger, i wont compare xbox Exclusives to PS3 exclusives, no but all i will say is that do you really think bayonetta could not have been better on the ps3 then in its current state?

WHEN you say "of course it could have been better" then that will completely negate your whole whole sentence and prove that ps3's so called "weakness" has absolutely nothing to do with this game not being up to par with the xbox version. it is100% on the devs. now if it was because of a dead line or a money issue thats another story.

 

Your comment is what I expected from a PS3 owner. I never said that there weren't games vastly better on PS3, but, of course, your SDF nervous system had to make that an issue. My point was/is that only PS3 exclusives or games the devs have to expend more time and money than when developing for the other consoles is ONE of the PS3 weaknesses. How come PS3fans cannot admit any faults of their console? It boggles the mind at the inherent arrogance they project to owners of the Wii & 360. The 360 and Wii weaknesses are known and accepted but not the PS3...."it does everything" (that byline is arrogance to the nth degree). BTW, it doesn't do everything since it can't make UC2 (GOTY) sell much better than AC2 when there are over 28 milllion PS3 owners.

Yes, I can say "of course it could have been better" when ANY game has the time and money to spend endlessly on improving it....duh

It's sad that you don't know already that it ALWAYS has to do with deadlines and money issues when AAA game developers can't meet their expectations. One exception is when a certain console is also difficult to program

Like I said before....Sega hasn't had any problems with the PS3 before during this generation. Their multiplats this gen have been equal, and from previews of games like AvP and Alpha Protocol, their set to be equal. And even things like Iron Man and The Incredible Hulk, which were cheap, quick cash ins on the movies, had equal performance across both consoles. So what makes Bayonetta different? Sega knows the PS3 hardware. They've made PS3 exclusives!! So why would they have to "expend more time and money" on Bayonetta....when they haven't had to do so not ONE other time this gen?

I think you're slightly confused.....Sega publishes alot of games that you think they actually developed. AvP is developed by Rebellion not Sega and the same goes for Alpha Protocol which is developed by Obsidian. Bayonetta was developed by Platinum games...formerly Clover Games.

And my mistake...his name is Hideki Kamiya not Hideo. He also made Resident Evil 1 & 2 besides developing Okami, Devil May Cry and Viewtiful Joe.

Either way, Sega has teams of people at their disposal, each of whom who know how to code for the PS3. I take back what I said before about The Orange Box ordeal. That was 2007, and EA didn't know anything about the PS3. So in that sense, the situation is not the same, because Sega has people who can code efficiently for the PS3....yet this happened.



krimoz911 on 22 December 2009
Kynes said:
DjFlex53 said:
 

I think you're slightly confused.....Sega publishes alot of games that you think they actually developed. AvP is developed by Rebellion not Sega and the same goes for Alpha Protocol which is developed by Obsidian. Bayonetta was developed by Platinum games...formerly Clover Games.

And my mistake...his name is Hideki Kamiya not Hideo. He also made Resident Evil 1 & 2 besides developing Okami, Devil May Cry and Viewtiful Joe.

You know, a lazy newcomer to the industry.

I thought that SEGA is the one who developed the PS3 port, while all platinium games did was the 360 version.

So who's accusing Hideki Kamiya of being lazy?



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DjFlex53 on 22 December 2009
BMaker11 said:
DjFlex53 said:
BMaker11 said:
DjFlex53 said:
Dno said:
DjFlex53 said:
The comments in this thread by PS3 owners continually validates my disdain for them and Sony.
In one voice, they claim superiority over all other consoles and in the next voice they blame developers when the PS3's weaknesses are exposed.

Hideo Kamiya has created Devil May Cry, Okami and Viewtiful Joe. He is not a lazy developer.


This comment is wrong on so many levels that i wont even make a list of he games vastly better on ps3, i wont make a list of devs saying time and time again that the ps3 is stronger, i wont compare xbox Exclusives to PS3 exclusives, no but all i will say is that do you really think bayonetta could not have been better on the ps3 then in its current state?

WHEN you say "of course it could have been better" then that will completely negate your whole whole sentence and prove that ps3's so called "weakness" has absolutely nothing to do with this game not being up to par with the xbox version. it is100% on the devs. now if it was because of a dead line or a money issue thats another story.

 

Your comment is what I expected from a PS3 owner. I never said that there weren't games vastly better on PS3, but, of course, your SDF nervous system had to make that an issue. My point was/is that only PS3 exclusives or games the devs have to expend more time and money than when developing for the other consoles is ONE of the PS3 weaknesses. How come PS3fans cannot admit any faults of their console? It boggles the mind at the inherent arrogance they project to owners of the Wii & 360. The 360 and Wii weaknesses are known and accepted but not the PS3...."it does everything" (that byline is arrogance to the nth degree). BTW, it doesn't do everything since it can't make UC2 (GOTY) sell much better than AC2 when there are over 28 milllion PS3 owners.

Yes, I can say "of course it could have been better" when ANY game has the time and money to spend endlessly on improving it....duh

It's sad that you don't know already that it ALWAYS has to do with deadlines and money issues when AAA game developers can't meet their expectations. One exception is when a certain console is also difficult to program

Like I said before....Sega hasn't had any problems with the PS3 before during this generation. Their multiplats this gen have been equal, and from previews of games like AvP and Alpha Protocol, their set to be equal. And even things like Iron Man and The Incredible Hulk, which were cheap, quick cash ins on the movies, had equal performance across both consoles. So what makes Bayonetta different? Sega knows the PS3 hardware. They've made PS3 exclusives!! So why would they have to "expend more time and money" on Bayonetta....when they haven't had to do so not ONE other time this gen?

I think you're slightly confused.....Sega publishes alot of games that you think they actually developed. AvP is developed by Rebellion not Sega and the same goes for Alpha Protocol which is developed by Obsidian. Bayonetta was developed by Platinum games...formerly Clover Games.

And my mistake...his name is Hideki Kamiya not Hideo. He also made Resident Evil 1 & 2 besides developing Okami, Devil May Cry and Viewtiful Joe.

Either way, Sega has teams of people at their disposal, each of whom who know how to code for the PS3. I take back what I said before about The Orange Box ordeal. That was 2007, and EA didn't know anything about the PS3. So in that sense, the situation is not the same, because Sega has people who can code efficiently for the PS3....yet this happened.

Sega did not make this game or any game on PS3 of this genre which is hack & slash action/adv. The only AAA games they've developed for the PS3 are Yakuza 3 and Valkyrie Chronicles and neither of them tax the GPU like Bayonetta does.



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s1lverFoX on 22 December 2009

I am so glad I have a xbox 360 right now :)
If this game runs that bad on ps3 why even release it for ps3, bayonetta 2 should be xbox 360 exclusive



krimoz911 on 22 December 2009
DjFlex53 said:

Sega did not make this game or any game on PS3 of this genre which is hack & slash action/adv. The only AAA games they've developed for the PS3 are Yakuza 3 and Valkyrie Chronicles and neither of them tax the GPU like Bayonetta does.

Do you have proof for that?

 

also http://www.destructoid.com/platinum-addresses-bayonetta-ps3-problems-blames-sega-149097.phtml

 SEGA is responsible for the PS3 port.



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DjFlex53 on 22 December 2009
krimoz911 said:
DjFlex53 said:

Sega did not make this game or any game on PS3 of this genre which is hack & slash action/adv. The only AAA games they've developed for the PS3 are Yakuza 3 and Valkyrie Chronicles and neither of them tax the GPU like Bayonetta does.

Do you have proof for that?

 

also http://www.destructoid.com/platinum-addresses-bayonetta-ps3-problems-blames-sega-149097.phtml

 SEGA is responsible for the PS3 port.

Ermmm...can you prove me wrong?

VC is a RPG and Yakuza 3 is an adventure game...nuff said



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binary solo on 22 December 2009
DjFlex53 said:
The comments in this thread by PS3 owners continually validates my disdain for them and Sony.
In one voice, they claim superiority over all other consoles and in the next voice they blame developers when the PS3's weaknesses are exposed.

How do comments by PS3 owners validate disdain for Sony?

There are some very high quality multiplatform games up for PS3 GOTY awards, and a PS3 exclusive title is likely to win a slew of overall (all platforms) GOTY awards. Exactly what weakness does the PS3 have that makes a poor quality port acceptable that PS3 gamers should just accept it without comment?

If there were the sorts of weaknesses you seem to be implying then no multiplatform title would ever be a contender for a PS3 GOTY, and no PS3 exclusive would even be nominated for an overall GOTY, let alone actually win a GOTY.

And you seem to be absolving developers of all responsibility when it comes to the quality of ported games.

It seems your disdain is not particularly well founded. If this PS3 port is as poor quality as this IGN review indicates then PS3 gamers are well justified in voicing strong criticisms in this instance.



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krimoz911 on 22 December 2009
DjFlex53 said:
krimoz911 said:
DjFlex53 said:

Sega did not make this game or any game on PS3 of this genre which is hack & slash action/adv. The only AAA games they've developed for the PS3 are Yakuza 3 and Valkyrie Chronicles and neither of them tax the GPU like Bayonetta does.

Do you have proof for that?

 

also http://www.destructoid.com/platinum-addresses-bayonetta-ps3-problems-blames-sega-149097.phtml

 SEGA is responsible for the PS3 port.

Ermmm...can you prove me wrong?

VC is a RPG and Yakuza 3 is an adventure game...nuff said

So this was just speculation on your end without any proof to back it up, gotcha.



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