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psrock on 28 December 2009
jarrod said:
psrock said:
@ioi

You are right, but my point is, so what? It's still holds the record. All the big games get Holiday releases now, does that negate their sales compared to other games. Does MWF2 record means less because it was release in November? Then why is it such a big deal for FFXIII?

Probably because FFXIII's being specifically compared to non-holiday releases only in this case.  MW2's records don't really apply then, as no one made a similar comparison.

And agin, no one's "negating" or "downplaying" or posting anything that you should "take offense to".   A better and fuller understanding isn't a bad thing, and literally doesn't take anything away from FFXIII's achievements.

It's being compared to other FF games like you were doing all last week, remember, although they were relaesed on gen winners and much bigger userbase, you had no issue comparing them. I still remember your graph.



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jarrod on 28 December 2009
psrock said:
jarrod said:
psrock said:
@ioi

You are right, but my point is, so what? It's still holds the record. All the big games get Holiday releases now, does that negate their sales compared to other games. Does MWF2 record means less because it was release in November? Then why is it such a big deal for FFXIII?

Probably because FFXIII's being specifically compared to non-holiday releases only in this case.  MW2's records don't really apply then, as no one made a similar comparison.

And agin, no one's "negating" or "downplaying" or posting anything that you should "take offense to".   A better and fuller understanding isn't a bad thing, and literally doesn't take anything away from FFXIII's achievements.

It's being compared to other FF games like you were doing all last week, remember, although they were relaesed on gen winners and much bigger userbase, you had no issue comparing them. I still remember your graph.

I didn't post a FF graph?  You must have me confused with someone else?

 

 



jarrod on 28 December 2009
johnsobas said:


accusing people of having an agenda when they have said nothing of the sort is just uncalled for.  I'm really getting sick of this happening on this site.  I've seen some really good arguments based on strong facts that are being shot down by simply shouting BIAS. 


Agreed.  It's getting tiring.  "Downplay" mudslinging should be bannable.



psrock on 28 December 2009
ioi said:
@psrock, now you are comparing software to hardware?

My point is simple - hardware sales are not a direct result of one game. That's all I'm saying. Nobody is downplaying anything or trying to be anti-PS3 or anything else. The point is simply that hardware sales (which is what this thread is about) are a composite of many different things all going on at once. Now a big game like the first FF release on a console is big enough to have a huge influence on hardware sales but it is not the ONLY influence on hardware sales.

All I did, (not "make excuses" as you quite rudely put it) was to point out that you can't attribute the total 240,000 units of hardware sold last week to the release of FF XIII, which is a fair and valid point and that the whole thread topic of "hardware boost due to game release" is flawed since there are other contributing factors to hardware sales other than just the release of one game (however big and dominant a game it is). Comparing hardware sales in December to hardware sales in June or whatever and trying to suggest that the December game had more of an impact because the absolute sales are larger is so flawed that it makes the comparison totally meaningless.

the op " The PS3 sets a new hardware record for the highest hardware sales during a Final Fantasy release week." Again, you are right, but the OP was quite simple too, and made no claim that FFXIII  alone was the reason it sold 240k, it cleary focused on the biggest week of a ff game. Now, you know better than me, i really don'y think FF alone contributed to the others games sales either, the fact was and still is, it had a bigger week than any other, yeah with tons of help, but it did.

My point is, I really don't understand why the other stuff were brought in, when while it was released in December, but it was also on a third place console, it had only sold 100k plus once, and none of us expected it. The other FF games were on dominating consoles, which held bigger userbase, they had bigger seling power anyway, it's amazing the ps3 did this no matter the time it was released.

 

 



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fwap on 28 December 2009

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jarrod on 28 December 2009
psrock said:
ioi said:
@psrock, now you are comparing software to hardware?

My point is simple - hardware sales are not a direct result of one game. That's all I'm saying. Nobody is downplaying anything or trying to be anti-PS3 or anything else. The point is simply that hardware sales (which is what this thread is about) are a composite of many different things all going on at once. Now a big game like the first FF release on a console is big enough to have a huge influence on hardware sales but it is not the ONLY influence on hardware sales.

All I did, (not "make excuses" as you quite rudely put it) was to point out that you can't attribute the total 240,000 units of hardware sold last week to the release of FF XIII, which is a fair and valid point and that the whole thread topic of "hardware boost due to game release" is flawed since there are other contributing factors to hardware sales other than just the release of one game (however big and dominant a game it is). Comparing hardware sales in December to hardware sales in June or whatever and trying to suggest that the December game had more of an impact because the absolute sales are larger is so flawed that it makes the comparison totally meaningless.

the op " The PS3 sets a new hardware record for the highest hardware sales during a Final Fantasy release week." Again, you are right, but the OP was quite simple too, and made no claim that FFXIII  alone was the reason it sold 240k, it cleary focused on the biggest week of a ff game. Now, you know better than me, i really don'y think FF alone contributed to the others games sales either, the fact was and still is, it had a bigger week than any other, yeah with tons of help, but it did.

My point is, I really don't understand why the other stuff were brought in, when while it was released in December, but it was also on a third place console, it had only sold 100k plus once, and none of us expected it. The other FF games were on dominating consoles, which held bigger userbase, they had bigger seling power anyway, it's amazing the ps3 did this no matter the time it was released.

 

 

Actually, being on a less ubiquitous platform would've helped PS3 hardware sales during FFXIII week.  It's in Japan's top 10 3rd party series today, a game with that much mainstream appeal is going to get people in to buy the machine it's on.  This in contrast to something like DQIX on DS, which still pushed hardware sales but just ever so slightly since the installed base is already so gigantic.



psrock on 28 December 2009
jarrod said:
psrock said:
ioi said:
@psrock, now you are comparing software to hardware?

My point is simple - hardware sales are not a direct result of one game. That's all I'm saying. Nobody is downplaying anything or trying to be anti-PS3 or anything else. The point is simply that hardware sales (which is what this thread is about) are a composite of many different things all going on at once. Now a big game like the first FF release on a console is big enough to have a huge influence on hardware sales but it is not the ONLY influence on hardware sales.

All I did, (not "make excuses" as you quite rudely put it) was to point out that you can't attribute the total 240,000 units of hardware sold last week to the release of FF XIII, which is a fair and valid point and that the whole thread topic of "hardware boost due to game release" is flawed since there are other contributing factors to hardware sales other than just the release of one game (however big and dominant a game it is). Comparing hardware sales in December to hardware sales in June or whatever and trying to suggest that the December game had more of an impact because the absolute sales are larger is so flawed that it makes the comparison totally meaningless.

the op " The PS3 sets a new hardware record for the highest hardware sales during a Final Fantasy release week." Again, you are right, but the OP was quite simple too, and made no claim that FFXIII  alone was the reason it sold 240k, it cleary focused on the biggest week of a ff game. Now, you know better than me, i really don'y think FF alone contributed to the others games sales either, the fact was and still is, it had a bigger week than any other, yeah with tons of help, but it did.

My point is, I really don't understand why the other stuff were brought in, when while it was released in December, but it was also on a third place console, it had only sold 100k plus once, and none of us expected it. The other FF games were on dominating consoles, which held bigger userbase, they had bigger seling power anyway, it's amazing the ps3 did this no matter the time it was released.

 

 

Actually, being on a less ubiquitous platform would've helped PS3 hardware sales during FFXIII week.  It's in Japan's top 10 3rd party series today, a game with that much mainstream appeal is going to get people in to buy the machine it's on.  This in contrast to something like DQIX on DS, which still pushed hardware sales but just ever so slightly since the installed base is already so gigantic.

That's a good point too, the DS sells huge every week though. But only on FFXIII week the PS3 has ever sold over 150k, 200k plus.



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MaxwellGT2000 on 28 December 2009

lol interesting debates here honestly as for the "downplaying" I see more people downplaying people putting things into context over downplaying records. It's always been a problem and just about all of it comes from being a cheerleader for certain consoles and companies, people love to see one part of the picture and not the whole picture even when people try to put their own arguments into context.

And yes great sales for FFXIII, though still on a downward week 1 trend in Japan, and having the sales boost of the holidays that no other FF game had in Japan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy check the timeline for release dates) I really didn't know what to think as far as predictions go for FFXIII first week, since I saw it doing well, but there are many factors involved and had no idea which way it was going to go hardware wise.



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Icyedge on 28 December 2009
Wii_Master said:
Can't wait for this weeks numbers. I expect DS and Wii to be monsers as usual....

PS3 has a chance at topping 1 Million but I still have my doubts.

360 to keep the pace at around 500-550K

PSP to do horribly and PS2 to do amazing for a console 9 years old.

PSP is a 6 years old console and already have a install base of 50 M +, so its not doing horribly at all. Not as good as DS doesnt mean horribly you know.



jarrod on 29 December 2009
Icyedge said:
Wii_Master said:
Can't wait for this weeks numbers. I expect DS and Wii to be monsers as usual....

PS3 has a chance at topping 1 Million but I still have my doubts.

360 to keep the pace at around 500-550K

PSP to do horribly and PS2 to do amazing for a console 9 years old.

PSP is a 6 years old console and already have a install base of 50 M +, so its not doing horribly at all. Not as good as DS doesnt mean horribly you know.

For a format that just got a new model release, it's doing pretty badly.  PS2, GBA, DS, PS3 and even PSP before skyrocketed after model revisions, but the GO has been a pretty obvious failure at both selling on it's own or igniting any general interest in the PSP platform.

And with a base of 50m+, don't even get me started on it's pathetic software sales... Sony needs some secure DRM, and they need it like yesterday.