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Cueil on 31 December 2009
LordChris915 said:
Cueil said:
LordChris915 said:
youarebadatgames said:
LordChris915 said:

The way I see it, Natal's advantage is purely software based, its highly likely that as soon as Natal is released, Sony will be able to emulate alot of the tech employed by it, add in the PS3's up and coming 3D capabilities, we could get some really interesting games.

To say that Natal has any hardware advantage would be naive, looking at the Natal camera, there seems to be little or no difference between it and the PSeye, Sony have already said that they are capable of emulating this kind of thing though to a slightly lesser degree. http://www.product-reviews.net/2009/06/07/ps3s-playstation-eye-vs-xbox-360s-natal/

Its all going to be about precisuion vs depth of field, my criticism would be, how many people have enough space to make use of field depth?

Microsoft is a software company, so it's no wonder that Sony this generation has been forced to respond defensively and emulate everything Microsoft has done.  The time that is lost from developing features that your competitor already has puts you behind the curve, and once again MS has taken initiative with the press, dev kits, and release date.  Always responding to your competitor is a bad position to be in (i.e., PSN, Zune, WinMo).  It doesn't really matter if it is different than their competitor as long as the perception is there. 

If Natal enables gesture recognition and turns screens into multitouch surfaces, that's actually pretty useful as I am currently using a multitouch laptop.  Now that I am thinking about it, I'm  inclined to believe this is probably a method for MS to have the public get acquainted with utilizing next gen input recognition that most devices are moving towards anyways (iphones, MS surface/multitouch panels/tablets).

Or you could say that Sony is letting MS test the water before it commits itself to anything big and new, imagine if Sony had followed MS and brough out their console early, they could have had a whole host of RRoD type problems to work out and it could have ended the Playstation wing of Sony FOREVER!

There is sense in pragmatism!

That's retarded... Sony letting Microsoft test the water?  It's not as if Microsoft is standing still or sitting on it laurals while sony keeps emulating all of their features

That sequence of words made no sense to me what so ever, please try and explain whatever it is you are trying to explain in words I can understand this time.

Your comment was retarded... the idea of testing the water because if you wait for someone else to "test the water" you have to play catch up when you find out that the waters are pretty good... Sony isn't going to let Microsoft "test the water" any more you can be sure of that... as for the PS3 coming out early... a simple switch to DVD would have had it coming out on time.



 
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Reasonable on 31 December 2009

My view is that Natal is more different from the Eye than some would have you believe, and less different than others would have you believe.

There seems little doubt Natal has some useful extra abilities, although until the Wand launches and we see it's full feature set it's hard to compare them fully as some features supported by Natal seem intended to be supported by an Eye/Wand combination on the PS3.

Personally, I'm very interested in Natal but not for games - I'm actually much more interested in it as a general interface for your PC vs actually playing games with it.



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Kenoid on 31 December 2009

I think the main difference is full body mtion tracking by natal, but the playstation eye is really very fun to play with as I have tried it before.

To me it depends on how good the console and the game is, if both are of good quality and promises long hours of fun, I think both natal and the eye are equally matched.

But based on sales, I believe that the eye will do better as people are more familiar with the Playstation



                                  

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LordChris915 on 31 December 2009
Cueil said:
LordChris915 said:
Cueil said:
LordChris915 said:
youarebadatgames said:
LordChris915 said:

The way I see it, Natal's advantage is purely software based, its highly likely that as soon as Natal is released, Sony will be able to emulate alot of the tech employed by it, add in the PS3's up and coming 3D capabilities, we could get some really interesting games.

To say that Natal has any hardware advantage would be naive, looking at the Natal camera, there seems to be little or no difference between it and the PSeye, Sony have already said that they are capable of emulating this kind of thing though to a slightly lesser degree. http://www.product-reviews.net/2009/06/07/ps3s-playstation-eye-vs-xbox-360s-natal/

Its all going to be about precisuion vs depth of field, my criticism would be, how many people have enough space to make use of field depth?

Microsoft is a software company, so it's no wonder that Sony this generation has been forced to respond defensively and emulate everything Microsoft has done.  The time that is lost from developing features that your competitor already has puts you behind the curve, and once again MS has taken initiative with the press, dev kits, and release date.  Always responding to your competitor is a bad position to be in (i.e., PSN, Zune, WinMo).  It doesn't really matter if it is different than their competitor as long as the perception is there. 

If Natal enables gesture recognition and turns screens into multitouch surfaces, that's actually pretty useful as I am currently using a multitouch laptop.  Now that I am thinking about it, I'm  inclined to believe this is probably a method for MS to have the public get acquainted with utilizing next gen input recognition that most devices are moving towards anyways (iphones, MS surface/multitouch panels/tablets).

Or you could say that Sony is letting MS test the water before it commits itself to anything big and new, imagine if Sony had followed MS and brough out their console early, they could have had a whole host of RRoD type problems to work out and it could have ended the Playstation wing of Sony FOREVER!

There is sense in pragmatism!

That's retarded... Sony letting Microsoft test the water?  It's not as if Microsoft is standing still or sitting on it laurals while sony keeps emulating all of their features

That sequence of words made no sense to me what so ever, please try and explain whatever it is you are trying to explain in words I can understand this time.

Your comment was retarded... the idea of testing the water because if you wait for someone else to "test the water" you have to play catch up when you find out that the waters are pretty good... Sony isn't going to let Microsoft "test the water" any more you can be sure of that... as for the PS3 coming out early... a simple switch to DVD would have had it coming out on time.

Playing catch up is not a problem if you can release a better product than the competition, without Blu-ray, would Sony eve be in this race? I think not, just look at those new piracy figures, piracy would kill the PS3 and it is Blu-ray that prevents that due to lack of blu-ray burners.

The Ideology driving the Japanese economy comes from a man called Demming, he believed that if you can build a higher quality product, the product will always achieve providing it remains competitive price wise, that is what Sony have set out to do with the PS3, I do not believe we have seen its true potential in terms of hardware or online, I can see Micorsoft beggining to fall behind in terms of hardware, so that is why pragmatism pays off! You will also notice that despite MS early lead, Sony is clawing back the difference with undue haste.

 



IIXShogunXII on 31 December 2009
LordChris915 said:
Cueil said:
LordChris915 said:
Cueil said:
LordChris915 said:
youarebadatgames said:
LordChris915 said:

The way I see it, Natal's advantage is purely software based, its highly likely that as soon as Natal is released, Sony will be able to emulate alot of the tech employed by it, add in the PS3's up and coming 3D capabilities, we could get some really interesting games.

To say that Natal has any hardware advantage would be naive, looking at the Natal camera, there seems to be little or no difference between it and the PSeye, Sony have already said that they are capable of emulating this kind of thing though to a slightly lesser degree. http://www.product-reviews.net/2009/06/07/ps3s-playstation-eye-vs-xbox-360s-natal/

Its all going to be about precisuion vs depth of field, my criticism would be, how many people have enough space to make use of field depth?

Microsoft is a software company, so it's no wonder that Sony this generation has been forced to respond defensively and emulate everything Microsoft has done.  The time that is lost from developing features that your competitor already has puts you behind the curve, and once again MS has taken initiative with the press, dev kits, and release date.  Always responding to your competitor is a bad position to be in (i.e., PSN, Zune, WinMo).  It doesn't really matter if it is different than their competitor as long as the perception is there. 

If Natal enables gesture recognition and turns screens into multitouch surfaces, that's actually pretty useful as I am currently using a multitouch laptop.  Now that I am thinking about it, I'm  inclined to believe this is probably a method for MS to have the public get acquainted with utilizing next gen input recognition that most devices are moving towards anyways (iphones, MS surface/multitouch panels/tablets).

Or you could say that Sony is letting MS test the water before it commits itself to anything big and new, imagine if Sony had followed MS and brough out their console early, they could have had a whole host of RRoD type problems to work out and it could have ended the Playstation wing of Sony FOREVER!

There is sense in pragmatism!

That's retarded... Sony letting Microsoft test the water?  It's not as if Microsoft is standing still or sitting on it laurals while sony keeps emulating all of their features

That sequence of words made no sense to me what so ever, please try and explain whatever it is you are trying to explain in words I can understand this time.

Your comment was retarded... the idea of testing the water because if you wait for someone else to "test the water" you have to play catch up when you find out that the waters are pretty good... Sony isn't going to let Microsoft "test the water" any more you can be sure of that... as for the PS3 coming out early... a simple switch to DVD would have had it coming out on time.

Playing catch up is not a problem if you can release a better product than the competition, without Blu-ray, would Sony eve be in this race? I think not, just look at those new piracy figures, piracy would kill the PS3 and it is Blu-ray that prevents that due to lack of blu-ray burners.

The Ideology driving the Japanese economy comes from a man called Demming, he believed that if you can build a higher quality product, the product will always achieve providing it remains competitive price wise, that is what Sony have set out to do with the PS3, I do not believe we have seen its true potential in terms of hardware or online, I can see Micorsoft beggining to fall behind in terms of hardware, so that is why pragmatism pays off! You will also notice that despite MS early lead, Sony is clawing back the difference with undue haste.

 

Well, in that case you have to play catch-up in sales, for 3 Years.



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dharh on 31 December 2009

The only thing im interested in is being able to issue voice commands. All this other running, jumping around, doing hand motions and crap is imo really stupid. Even the 'billions' of so called intimidated people out there will think its stupid.

However, if they merge 3D gaming, with a glove like controller/wand, and can handle voice, and body movement. That right there will be the controller of the future. Because _if_ I don't want to get up from my couch I can still play the game.



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theprof00 on 31 December 2009
Maelstrome said:

OMG this video just changed my perspective on the whole thing.

They should present this clip or re-enact it at the next E3 and then say "releases feb(or whatever) 2004 (or whatever)", and then be like, "Wait....that can't be right. Do we have the real date for this? Oh, that is the real date? It was released 6 years ago on playstation 2?"



adriane23 on 31 December 2009
theprof00 said:
Maelstrome said:

OMG this video just changed my perspective on the whole thing.

They should present this clip or re-enact it at the next E3 and then say "releases feb(or whatever) 2004 (or whatever)", and then be like, "Wait....that can't be right. Do we have the real date for this? Oh, that is the real date? It was released 6 years ago on playstation 2?"

Soooo Natal = Eyetoy 1.5 (Because of facial recognition). So innovative......



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theprof00 on 31 December 2009
adriane23 said:
theprof00 said:
Maelstrome said:

OMG this video just changed my perspective on the whole thing.

They should present this clip or re-enact it at the next E3 and then say "releases feb(or whatever) 2004 (or whatever)", and then be like, "Wait....that can't be right. Do we have the real date for this? Oh, that is the real date? It was released 6 years ago on playstation 2?"

Soooo Natal = Eyetoy 1.5 (Because of facial recognition). So innovative......

actually, that video showed facial recognition on the eyetoy, twice.

I'd say 1.5 because it tracks things faster and more accurately than eyetoy.... and is more capable of tracking in the dark and such. However, the camera for the wand should be just as good, and there might actually be overlap in the games on the ps3. 360 natal games able to be played on the ps eye...unless I'm mistaken.



Squilliam on 31 December 2009

If the wand is supposed to be released in 3 months time then how come the hype for the thing is so dismally low as to be off the radar? I don't understand this.

I also don't understand how people can discount the utility of having onboard processing power. It means that Gem cannot be as easily tacked onto games this far into the generation as they are already making prodigeous use of the PS3s resources. This is especially true of Sony's 1st party efforts where their present games don't leave much at all to spare and they are the ones who have to hold the torch for that technology.



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